Re: Tram Announcements: another Victorian election conspiracy theory

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Christopher_Martin GORDON <cmgord@ecr.mu.oz.au> wrote in message
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> : And the point is that if Melburnians got used to validating all the
time,
> : EVERY time, it would be just as quick as now.
>
> : Sydney used to be the same when the automated gates were introduced.
> : Commuters would not use them because they were slower - they were only
> : slower because they were not used to them. Then they were forced to use
> : them, they got used to them, now quite often the arms on the gates do
not
> : even close between passengers.
>
> : Once they get used to it and get into a routine, they will be quick.
>
> We are into a routine now, most of the people in the mornings use
> the barrier gates (in fact all day).  The only ones that don't use
> the gates are ones in the morning that want to get onto the station
> and there is no free barrier to get through (ie they want to go the
> oppsite way to everyone else).
>
> So all this crap about Melbourne people not validating is now confined
> to trams only.

I was using that as an example of the way people can change their habits -
the fact that they cannot board a tram and validate their tickets without
causing delays does not mean it is an impossibility, only that they will
have to change slightly. Do you always miss the point?

> : How about Adelaide trains, where passengers validate when the enter the
> : carriage.
>
> Ok what was that like in the first 18 months (someone from Adelaide,
please,
> or maybe there is no one to complain from there.)
>
> : Does not make it right. They cannot complain when they get booked. Are
you
> : going to complain *if* you get fined for not validating an already valid
> : ticket, knowing that you are supposed to and have elected not to do so?
>
> Since when do you get fined for traveling with a valid ticket?  (just
because
> you didn't validate it).

If the regulations say that you *must* validate on every boarding, and you
do not, then you can be fined.

> : And it is against the regulations.
>
> Which carries no fine and are not inforced (that is the regulation
covering
> validating tickets)
>
> : So they do not use it then - since validating on each and every boarding
is
> : an integral part of the system.
>
> University students do so use trams in Melbourne,

Do you have trouble comprehending English - I said they do not use the
SYSTEM properly - i.e. the MetCard system. Sheesh.

>not until March when uni
> starts.  School kids don't validate because most have studnet passes,
> which are still paper tickets.  Did you notice that?
>
> : Once again you miss the point - must be a bombers supprter.
>
> No I am not, I am just trying to point out all the facts from someone
> thats uses Melbourne's trains, trams and buses each day.  I am trying

You are merely making excuses - you are too close to the situation, a case
of not seeing the wood for the trees.

> to stop people that are 800km away from making statements which are
> not true, and mostly we are getting somewhere now that the crap of people
in
> Melbourne are lazy and people in Sydney are all very good and the crime
rate
> in Sydney is 0.

Total crap and you know it. I might invite Rod Speed in to this argument
(anyone who knows of Rod will not want this to happen).

> Finally after 2 years of people in Sydney making stupid statements about
> Metcard we have got rid of them and we are down to the real issue
> of people not validating on trams.  (Trains and buses work in Melbourne
> just as well as Sydney if not better.)

And that is merely because people do not wish to change their habits - they
have ALWAYS had to get their ticket out before boarding a bus, so nothing
has changed there. But you do not like change in Melbourne. We see that with
the VFL (AFL to the rest of us, but still an expanded VFL to Victorians). We
see that with just about everything. You want it the way it has always been.

DaveP