Re: Tram Announcements: another Victorian election conspiracy theory

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Christopher_Martin GORDON <cmgord@ecr.mu.oz.au> wrote in message
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> : People in other cities do not have to validate at stations if the ticket
is
> : already valid - they may have to insert into automatic gates to gain
access
> : to the station though.
>
> The reason why people in Melbourne validate at stations is so they can get
> out the other end, people arriving on a bus to the station won't bother
> as the ticket has all ready been validated for that day, and they can get
> out the other end.

As I said before, I think having to validate already valid tickets at
non-gated stations is silly. The only reason you should do it on a tram is
to show that you have a valid ticket.

> : People in Adelaide have to validate their ticket when they board a
train -
> : in the same way Melbourne tram passengers are supposed to.
>
> What is the ticketing system like in Adelaide?  Do you have monthlies
where
> once they are validated then they don't require further validation, or do
> they have single trip tickets, like 10X2hour which require validation each
> 2 hours to make them valid? It which case they have to validate or their
> ticket is not valid and can be fined.

Much the same system as Melbourne - 2 hour tickets, daily tickets, weekly
tickets. Each train carriage has validators, and they have to validate on
boarding the train. They even gave plain-clothes police special tickets,
because they were being told off as fare evaders because they did not
validate (as police, they were entitled to free travel to and from work).
There is a social thing in Adelaide about fare evasion.

> It other words do they validate because they want to, or do they validate
> because if they don't then their ticket is not valid and they could be
fined?

Neither - someone with a weekly ticket with 3 days left to go validates
because they have to.

> : > Fact: It is the trams in Melbourne where people don't validate.  Other
> : > cities with no problems have no trams.
>
> : Because the people cannot be bothered, being too obstinate to do so.
>
> Because people in Melbourne don't see the need and are lazy.  What is the
> point? (their excuse, not mine)

There is a need because the tram companies need the statistics for revenue
allocation and route planning purposes.

> : > What would you do (apart from making eveyone board by the front door,
> : > while the driver watched like buses) to our trams to make more
> : > people validate?
>
> : Have customer service people roaming the network, to do revenue
protection,
> : customer assistance, etc. - much like now, but a lot more of them. If
the
> : problem is a you say, that people do not do it because there is noone
there
> : to make them (hence further proving it is obstinacy) then this should
have
> : some effect.
>
> We have customer service people, apart from making sure people have a
valid
> ticket they do nothing else.  Almost all the people have a valid ticket,
> but most havn't validated it, because they can't be bothered and don't see
> the need.

See above.

DaveP