Re: Out of Gauge Suburban EMU's in Sydney (Was DOO In Sydney)

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Michael Kurkowski <mk@netstra.com.au> wrote in message
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> Hi,
>
> Ideally that's how it should be done. A guard sitting in the end (or
> middle cab) sitting doing nothing other than blowing a whistle and making
> announcements is useless. Melbourne has already proven this.
>
> It would be great if the guard can assume another role, as you mentioned,
> checking tickets on their trains, and keeping order. Melbourne opted for
> the cheap approach, scrap guards completely and install mirrors on
> trains, CCTV/monitors on platforms. The guards jobs were not replaced.

Sydney Tangara's have actually been designed for this, but it has never been
utilised. There is a control panel for the guard next to each and every
doorway in a Tangara - it allows the guard to open that door, all the doors,
close all the doors, give a bell signal to the driver, then close his door.
He could patrol the train doing other duties. I am not sure about the ticket
selling role though - would leave him as a target, particularly late at
night. Perhaps a dual security/train management role? Might allow those
useless Chubb idiots to be dispensed with.

> Having said that, a guard would be of a lot more use if they can check
> tickets, and also inform passengers as required (i.e. does this train
> stop at central? do i wash my whites with my colours in cold water?), or
> basically the same role as Melbourne's tram condictors (the human, not
> the stainless steel type).
>
> I think the reason why CityRail have a lot of employees who can't be
> bothered doing their job is simply because they have been treating them
> too good for too long. Anyone found to be slack should be
> dismissed/disciplined on the spot. Examples being, the driver in Katoomba
> (or wherever it was, in previous thread) that said "oh yeah, i better go"
> 3 minutes after departure time.

Penrith - it happens all the time, and you can blame Paul Keating and Bob
Hawke for that - and also the Democrats. The unfair dismissal laws are
necessary, but at the moment they go too far. They mean that an employer
cannot get rid of someone who refuses to do their job. Perhaps with a little
less job security, and a bit more accountability, we would have a much
better system.

> Regards
> Michael.

DaveP

>
> Railway Rasputin said in message <3801A3BB.DEBA96FC@fastlink.com.au>, I
> therefore quote:
>
> >Michael wrote:
> >> Melbourne can do it. Sydney think their s*** don't stink, so im sure
> >> with the many millions of dollars saved from the scrapping of guards a
> >> working solution can be sought. Unless of course, Sydney attempt to
> >> follow their track record of attempting to reinvent the wheel (faulty
> >> destos, faulty PIDS systems, faulty workers, etc).
> >>
> >> Regards
> >> Michael
> >
> >Yes but even if DOO is in operation they still want the guards on the
> >train checking tickets and other shit. So you won't be saving anything.
> >
> >rgds
> >