Re: Transport ticket system collapses

["Dave Proctor" <daproc@spambait.ozemail.com.au>]

"Tezza" <tezza2000@dingoblue.net.au> wrote in message
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> "Dave Proctor"
> | "Tezza"
> | > "Dave Proctor"
> | > | "Tezza"
> | > | > "Dave Proctor"
> | > | >
> | > | > | You are extrapolating that since some regular users *rarely*
> experience
> | > | > | faults, that the fact that they do means that the machines are
> inherently
> | > | > | unreliable and that everyone always experiences faults. This is
> not the
> | > | > | case.
> | > | >
> | > | > And is probably why I haven't said that or anything remotely like
> it.
> | > |
> | > | That is what you were implying.
> | >
> | > You infer incorrectly.
> |
> | I inferred correctly.
>
> I never said it and I never implied it so you inferred incorrectly.

You did imply it so I inferred correctly.

> | > | > | Even if one faulty machione can affect thousands, for these
> "thousands" to
> | > | > | be *regularly* inconvenienced, then countless machines owuld
have
> to be out
> | > | > | of action on countless occasions.
> | > | >
> | > | > Who said anything about regularly?
> | > |
> | > | You were implying that.
> | >
> | > You infer incorrectly.
> |
> | I inferred correctly.
>
> I never said it and I never implied it so you inferred incorrectly.

You did imply it so I inferred correctly.

> | > | > | You, as someone who does not buy tickets,
> | > | > | cannot know if this is the case or not. I (and others who have
> posted here),
> | > | > | as people who *do* buy tickets, can attest to our own personal
> experiences
> | > | > | on this matter.
> | > | >
> | > | > I probably see more machines, passengers or staff than any who
have
> posted
> | > | > on this topic.
> | > |
> | > | Of course you do, whilst whizzing past at 90 km/h.
> | >
> | > You obviously have no idea of a Drivers work day. What I said stands.
> |
> | No it doesn't. I, as someone who pays for tickets, am more qualified to
> | comment than you, someone who doesn't.
>
> Only in your fantasies.

So when was the last time you used a ticket machine?

Or does anecdotal evidence count for more than real life experience with
you?

> | > | > | > He's had problems, his mates have had problems, others on here
> have had
> | > | > | > problems and hordes of others have had problems.
> | > | > |
> | > | > | They have *rarely* experienced problems.
> | > | >
> | > | > But everybody "rarely" experiencing probloms works out to lots of
> problems.
> | > |
> | > | And I have not experienced a problem since i moved back to Sydney, 5
> years
> | > | ago, meaing (according to your logic) that nobody has experienced a
> problem
> | > | since then.
> | >
> | > You infer incorrectly once again. If *everybody* who posted on this
> topic
> | > had said they didn't have a problem then you would be correct, but as
> they
> | > didn't, you aren't.
> |
> | But you are saying that there are continual problems *because* one or
two
> | are saying that experience _rare_ problems. You can't have it both ways.
>
> I've said nothing about "continual problems". Once again you incorrectly
put
> words into my mouth.

You have implied that the problems are much much greater than what they
actually are, and affect far more people than they actually do.

> | > | And if it is rare (once every six months at Berowra, for example)
then
> only
> | > | those using Berowra would be affected, and then, only once every six
> months.
> | > | So we have 1000 people experiencing a problem once every six months.
> That is
> | > | reasonable in my book.
> | >
> | > Only if it only happened in out of the way places, which it doesn't.
It
> also
> | > happens at busy locations including Central and can affect thousands
in
> one day.
> |
> | So one, machine playing up at a location which has about 15 machines, as
> | well as about 20 BOM's, can affect thousands of people? Don't think so.
>
> You obviously don't get to Central much.

3 or 4 times a week. This is 3 or 4 times a week more than you use ticket
machines. If you are able to make a judgement on ticket machine reliability
based on your usage, then I am able to make a judgement on Central on the
same basis.

> | > | > | Using my logic, we recognise it was a one off (five flights
> | > | > | arriving when only two were scheduled, they only had two lots of
> staff to
> | > | > | unload) and things go on.
> | > | > |
> | > | > | If things were as bad as you try to claim (and I note that
nobody
> who
> | > | > | actually pays for tickets - so this excludes you, Tezza - is
> complaining)
> | > | > | then there would be an uproar in the media, and this is not
> happening.
> | > | >
> | > | > It's in the media once or twice a year on a regular basis.
> | > |
> | > | And we *know* how much sense the media makes.
> | >
> | > Doesn't detract from the fact that you're wrong again.
> |
> | Nope - you are in no position to judge whether the machines are reliable
o
> r
> | not. Station staff are, but you are not.
>
> You mean the staff constantly complaining about them? The staff who have
to
> put up with the passengers complaining about them? The staff who tell me
> about it? The staff who'd know a damn sight more about it than you?

The staff who are looking at being done out of a job by the same machines,
as opposed to me (and others like me) who have actually used the machines,
and have not experienced a problem with them.

Dave