Re: Transport ticket system collapses

["Dave Proctor" <daproc@spambait.ozemail.com.au>]

"Tezza" <tezza2000@dingoblue.net.au> wrote in message
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> "Dave Proctor"
> | "Tezza"
> | > "Dave Proctor"
> | >
> | > | You are extrapolating that since some regular users *rarely*
> experience
> | > | faults, that the fact that they do means that the machines are
> inherently
> | > | unreliable and that everyone always experiences faults. This is not
> the
> | > | case.
> | >
> | > And is probably why I haven't said that or anything remotely like it.
> |
> | That is what you were implying.
>
> You infer incorrectly.

I inferred correctly.

> | > | Even if one faulty machione can affect thousands, for these
> "thousands" to
> | > | be *regularly* inconvenienced, then countless machines owuld have to
> be out
> | > | of action on countless occasions.
> | >
> | > Who said anything about regularly?
> |
> | You were implying that.
>
> You infer incorrectly.

I inferred correctly.

> | > | You, as someone who does not buy tickets,
> | > | cannot know if this is the case or not. I (and others who have
posted
> here),
> | > | as people who *do* buy tickets, can attest to our own personal
> experiences
> | > | on this matter.
> | >
> | > I probably see more machines, passengers or staff than any who have
> posted
> | > on this topic.
> |
> | Of course you do, whilst whizzing past at 90 km/h.
>
> You obviously have no idea of a Drivers work day. What I said stands.

No it doesn't. I, as someone who pays for tickets, am more qualified to
comment than you, someone who doesn't.

> | > | > He's had problems, his mates have had problems, others on here
have
> had
> | > | > problems and hordes of others have had problems.
> | > |
> | > | They have *rarely* experienced problems.
> | >
> | > But everybody "rarely" experiencing probloms works out to lots of
> | problems.
> |
> | And I have not experienced a problem since i moved back to Sydney, 5
years
> | ago, meaing (according to your logic) that nobody has experienced a
> problem
> | since then.
>
> You infer incorrectly once again. If *everybody* who posted on this topic
> had said they didn't have a problem then you would be correct, but as they
> didn't, you aren't.

But you are saying that there are continual problems *because* one or two
are saying that experience _rare_ problems. You can't have it both ways.

> | And if it is rare (once every six months at Berowra, for example) then
> only
> | those using Berowra would be affected, and then, only once every six
> months.
> | So we have 1000 people experiencing a problem once every six months.
That
> is
> | reasonable in my book.
>
> Only if it only happened in out of the way places, which it doesn't. It
also
> happens at busy locations including Cental and can affect thousands in one
> day.

So one, machine playing up at a location which has about 15 machines, as
well as about 20 BOM's, can affect thousands of people? Don't think so.

> | > | Using my logic, we recognise it was a one off (five flights
> | > | arriving when only two were scheduled, they only had two lots of
staff
> to
> | > | unload) and things go on.
> | > |
> | > | If things were as bad as you try to claim (and I note that nobody
who
> | > | actually pays for tickets - so this excludes you, Tezza - is
> complaining)
> | > | then there would be an uproar in the media, and this is not
happening.
> | >
> | > It's in the media once or twice a year on a regular basis.
> |
> | And we *know* how much sense the media makes.
>
> Doesn't detract from the fact that your wrong again.

Nope - you are in no position to judge whether the machines are reliable or
not. Station staff are, but you are not.

Any comments from Anita?

Dave