Re: 2 EL's on Patrick's

["Andrew" <atailby@mpx.com.au>]

fight fight fight we want to see one as this is going to be good gentalmen
take your courners we want a good clean fight where word sling is the way to
go on this one
match ref
Exnarc <gwrly@netspace.net.au> wrote in message
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> Les Brown <pcc@ocean.com.au> wrote in message
>
> >
> > I just know I'm gonna regret posting this. Normally I wait until the
> > next day before I send something just to be sure that what I've
> > written is what I meant to say. I have made an exception on this
> > occasion.
> >
> Les never regret what you have written. I don't!!!<g>
>
> <snip>
>
> > Funny comments about me passing judgements. My reply to you initially
> > was because I believed you were totally one-sided about the judgements
> > your were passing on others.
>
> I didn't pass any judgement Les, I never accused the workers of sponging
off
> GSR , you were the one who accused them of being subsidised, which implies
> that they are getting something they don't deserve. I guess I am one sided
> on the issue of people being held to ransom to keep their jobs.
>
> >All I was after was more information
> > before I made up my mind. You seem to have gone straight for the
> > jugular of the nearest throat you could find.
>
> It looked more like a statement than a request for more information to
me??
>
> >
> > >Get real where do you come from???
> >
> > The real world, Bob, not the sheltered workshops that once masqueraded
> > for government railways.
>
> There you go, you obviously have very little knowledge of how the rail
> industry works, I (like most railway employees) find
> your remarks rather insulting, for your information mate, a lot of us have
> pride in the job we do, we are not half baked Gunzels who just chase
trains
> at the weekend, I have no gripe with rail enthusiasts in general but I get
a
> little heated up by upstarts who think because they have a camera and a
few
> back issues of Newsrail they know all there is to know about railways.
>
> > >What are you???
> >
> > Human being. More or less.
>
> I'll take your word for that.
>
> > Stick around pal, there is a lot more I can tell you that should
> > dispel once and for all any remaining doubts you may have about me.
>
> I'm sure you can buddy but to that point I can spare the pain, I know what
> you
> are already, Rod's pointed that out quite well, in fact if I spoke to
Lance
> he might confirm it!!!
>
> > >If GSR. are half the businessmen they claim to be why did they buy into
a
> > >industry that is loosing so much money???
>
> > Why? Because they're people who can probably run a railway better than
> > a government can,  because they can take risks that no politician
> > would dare do. And if they don't do their job well, they're out.
> > Welcome to the real world Bob, sink or swim.
>
> What crap!!!!
>
> >It's a world based more
> > on merit and talent than seniority and brown-nosing the boss that
> > gained you a promotion on a government railway.
>
> You are a gem Les!!!
>
> >GSR are probably the
> > kind of people prepared to take a risk and put their money on
> > something they believe in. Could you ever imagine any government doing
> > that, Labour or Liberal?
>
> No exploitation costs votes.
> <snip>
> >
> > >Stiff luck to Serco and its shareholders, they've done no favours to
> anyone.
> > >Personally I'd like to see them go under, however as always it would be
> the
> > >workers who loose out in the end.
> > >
> > Yeh, it'll be the workers, and the shareholders, who are probably one
> > and the same in many cases, but not the government - they couldn't
> > give a rat's...
> >
> > >Serco (GER.) have taken the AWA's to there legal limits, they are a
> credit
> > >to Peter Rieth and his screw the worker philosophy.
> > >
> > As I said, where was the union? And as I also said, you aren't telling
> > the full story either.
>
> I'm telling you the facts buddy, if I posted anymore I'd be putting the
> person who was involved on the line, I'm not prepared to do that here.
>
> > Listen sunshine,
>
> Don't call me sunshine, (insert Rod's name for you here).
>
> >I tell you a couple of things. Any boss that wants to
> > screw the worker is asking for real trouble. If I was a shareholder in
> > a company that had that mentality I'd sell my shares as fast as I
> > could. The best, most profitable companies rely on stability of their
> > workers, and the more skilled the worker is, the greater the
> > importance on stability. It costs too much if the workers go on strike
> > or if they leave. To replace and retrain a skilled worker can cost an
> > organization anywhere between 1 - 2 years salary IN ADDITION to the
> > cost of paying the worker to be trained. It's just not worth having
> > disgruntled employees, to say nothing about pissed off customers. I've
> > been there, I know the facts.
>
> Yes your the expert, I resign to your obvious knowledge on this fact, but
> that doesn't explain Serco's actions, they obviously don't subscribe to
your
> point of view!!!
>
> > If you are going to foster a "them and us" mentality instead of trying
> > to encourage an attitude of getting along and making the railways of
> > Australia actually work as they should, then you're either
> > contemplating retirement, or if the railways of this country were
> > closed down tomorrow, you wouldn't give stuff as long as you got paid
> > what you think you're entitled to.
>
> Isn't that the attitude you capitalists have??? Who gives a stuff as long
as
> the profits roll in, your mob encourage the greed mentality???
>
> > There are those of us who care more for the railway industry than you
> > obviously do. What a shame you don't work for the road-lobby.
>
> Get real, I've got more railways in my blood than any wanker like you can
> claim, if you gave a stuff about railways you would have seen through the
> Liberal farce, this industry will be bleed by these bastards until there
is
> nothing left, then they will walk away, the Government will be left to
pick
> up the pieces as usual.
>
> > Look, I don't argue with someone about how well or otherwise they do
> > their job, but don't pick an argument with me 'cause you reckon
> > railway management sucks and how the worker is the poor down-trodden
> > bastard that management is always trying to screw. I've heard it for
> > as long as I've been hanging around railway yards for over 35 years,
> > and I was told it existed long, long before that. I can find too many
> > examples of workers screwing management to take you seriously.
> >
> > Les Brown
>
> Les I've worked with railway management, some very good, some hopeless, so
> don't tell me you know all there is to know, I wasn't talking about
railway
> management, I was talking about these parasites that have moved into the
> railway industry to bleed it dry, they don't give a F*** about railways or
> railway workers, they only care about profits and if you can't see that, I
> rest my case.
>
> I look forward to you further instalments.
>
> Regards,
>
> Bob.
>
> PS. Have a Nice Day.
>
>