Re: 2 EL's on Patrick's

["Exnarc" <gwrly@netspace.net.au>]

Actually I think i might give up on this one, the answer Les gave to Rod
indicates he doesn't like rabid leftist looneys like me!!!

Seems a waste of time trying to convince the unconvincable.

Bob.
Andrew <atailby@mpx.com.au> wrote in message
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> fight fight fight we want to see one as this is going to be good gentalmen
> take your courners we want a good clean fight where word sling is the way
to
> go on this one
> match ref
> Exnarc <gwrly@netspace.net.au> wrote in message
> 81jcrk$1164$1@otis.netspace.net.au">news:81jcrk$1164$1@otis.netspace.net.au...
> >
> > Les Brown <pcc@ocean.com.au> wrote in message
> >
> > >
> > > I just know I'm gonna regret posting this. Normally I wait until the
> > > next day before I send something just to be sure that what I've
> > > written is what I meant to say. I have made an exception on this
> > > occasion.
> > >
> > Les never regret what you have written. I don't!!!<g>
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> > > Funny comments about me passing judgements. My reply to you initially
> > > was because I believed you were totally one-sided about the judgements
> > > your were passing on others.
> >
> > I didn't pass any judgement Les, I never accused the workers of sponging
> off
> > GSR , you were the one who accused them of being subsidised, which
implies
> > that they are getting something they don't deserve. I guess I am one
sided
> > on the issue of people being held to ransom to keep their jobs.
> >
> > >All I was after was more information
> > > before I made up my mind. You seem to have gone straight for the
> > > jugular of the nearest throat you could find.
> >
> > It looked more like a statement than a request for more information to
> me??
> >
> > >
> > > >Get real where do you come from???
> > >
> > > The real world, Bob, not the sheltered workshops that once masqueraded
> > > for government railways.
> >
> > There you go, you obviously have very little knowledge of how the rail
> > industry works, I (like most railway employees) find
> > your remarks rather insulting, for your information mate, a lot of us
have
> > pride in the job we do, we are not half baked Gunzels who just chase
> trains
> > at the weekend, I have no gripe with rail enthusiasts in general but I
get
> a
> > little heated up by upstarts who think because they have a camera and a
> few
> > back issues of Newsrail they know all there is to know about railways.
> >
> > > >What are you???
> > >
> > > Human being. More or less.
> >
> > I'll take your word for that.
> >
> > > Stick around pal, there is a lot more I can tell you that should
> > > dispel once and for all any remaining doubts you may have about me.
> >
> > I'm sure you can buddy but to that point I can spare the pain, I know
what
> > you
> > are already, Rod's pointed that out quite well, in fact if I spoke to
> Lance
> > he might confirm it!!!
> >
> > > >If GSR. are half the businessmen they claim to be why did they buy
into
> a
> > > >industry that is loosing so much money???
> >
> > > Why? Because they're people who can probably run a railway better than
> > > a government can,  because they can take risks that no politician
> > > would dare do. And if they don't do their job well, they're out.
> > > Welcome to the real world Bob, sink or swim.
> >
> > What crap!!!!
> >
> > >It's a world based more
> > > on merit and talent than seniority and brown-nosing the boss that
> > > gained you a promotion on a government railway.
> >
> > You are a gem Les!!!
> >
> > >GSR are probably the
> > > kind of people prepared to take a risk and put their money on
> > > something they believe in. Could you ever imagine any government doing
> > > that, Labour or Liberal?
> >
> > No exploitation costs votes.
> > <snip>
> > >
> > > >Stiff luck to Serco and its shareholders, they've done no favours to
> > anyone.
> > > >Personally I'd like to see them go under, however as always it would
be
> > the
> > > >workers who loose out in the end.
> > > >
> > > Yeh, it'll be the workers, and the shareholders, who are probably one
> > > and the same in many cases, but not the government - they couldn't
> > > give a rat's...
> > >
> > > >Serco (GER.) have taken the AWA's to there legal limits, they are a
> > credit
> > > >to Peter Rieth and his screw the worker philosophy.
> > > >
> > > As I said, where was the union? And as I also said, you aren't telling
> > > the full story either.
> >
> > I'm telling you the facts buddy, if I posted anymore I'd be putting the
> > person who was involved on the line, I'm not prepared to do that here.
> >
> > > Listen sunshine,
> >
> > Don't call me sunshine, (insert Rod's name for you here).
> >
> > >I tell you a couple of things. Any boss that wants to
> > > screw the worker is asking for real trouble. If I was a shareholder in
> > > a company that had that mentality I'd sell my shares as fast as I
> > > could. The best, most profitable companies rely on stability of their
> > > workers, and the more skilled the worker is, the greater the
> > > importance on stability. It costs too much if the workers go on strike
> > > or if they leave. To replace and retrain a skilled worker can cost an
> > > organization anywhere between 1 - 2 years salary IN ADDITION to the
> > > cost of paying the worker to be trained. It's just not worth having
> > > disgruntled employees, to say nothing about pissed off customers. I've
> > > been there, I know the facts.
> >
> > Yes your the expert, I resign to your obvious knowledge on this fact,
but
> > that doesn't explain Serco's actions, they obviously don't subscribe to
> your
> > point of view!!!
> >
> > > If you are going to foster a "them and us" mentality instead of trying
> > > to encourage an attitude of getting along and making the railways of
> > > Australia actually work as they should, then you're either
> > > contemplating retirement, or if the railways of this country were
> > > closed down tomorrow, you wouldn't give stuff as long as you got paid
> > > what you think you're entitled to.
> >
> > Isn't that the attitude you capitalists have??? Who gives a stuff as
long
> as
> > the profits roll in, your mob encourage the greed mentality???
> >
> > > There are those of us who care more for the railway industry than you
> > > obviously do. What a shame you don't work for the road-lobby.
> >
> > Get real, I've got more railways in my blood than any wanker like you
can
> > claim, if you gave a stuff about railways you would have seen through
the
> > Liberal farce, this industry will be bleed by these bastards until there
> is
> > nothing left, then they will walk away, the Government will be left to
> pick
> > up the pieces as usual.
> >
> > > Look, I don't argue with someone about how well or otherwise they do
> > > their job, but don't pick an argument with me 'cause you reckon
> > > railway management sucks and how the worker is the poor down-trodden
> > > bastard that management is always trying to screw. I've heard it for
> > > as long as I've been hanging around railway yards for over 35 years,
> > > and I was told it existed long, long before that. I can find too many
> > > examples of workers screwing management to take you seriously.
> > >
> > > Les Brown
> >
> > Les I've worked with railway management, some very good, some hopeless,
so
> > don't tell me you know all there is to know, I wasn't talking about
> railway
> > management, I was talking about these parasites that have moved into the
> > railway industry to bleed it dry, they don't give a F*** about railways
or
> > railway workers, they only care about profits and if you can't see that,
I
> > rest my case.
> >
> > I look forward to you further instalments.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Bob.
> >
> > PS. Have a Nice Day.
> >
> >
>
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