Re: Signaller causes SPAD

[antstig@my-deja.com]

In article <8pmgol$sr6$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,
  signal_spotter@my-deja.com wrote:
> Hey I didn't start this driver vs engineer war. Ever since I started
> reading/contributing to this NG, just about every driver has had some
> little dig at me whether it's due to catchpoints in the main line or
> bad sighting on signals that I've had nothing to do with, etc etc etc.

If they were having a dig at you personally then that's wrong. If they
were giving you valuable feedback about catchpoints, bad sighting then
they were giving you something for which you should use when you design
signals.

> I don't complain to them about their driving. Maybe I should. Just 2
> days ago I caught the train from the city and our driver misjudged his
> approach into the station, slammed on the brakes and nearly passed the
> signal at stop. Nearly all of us were thrown around. We were right
> behind the Guards Compartment and when we alighted and I commented to
> my colleagues that the driver almost SPADDED, the guard became quite
> irate. Bet that incident didn't get reported. So maybe this contempt
> that you drivers are sensing is just my responding to your equally
> contempt posts towards me.

OK then, you listen to us and we'll listen to you. It's important for
neither side to be contemptous of the other. We both work in the same
industry.

Regards

Frank

> regards Ian
> Signal Design Engineer
>
> In article <8pmas3$luh$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,
>   antstig@my-deja.com wrote:
> > In article <8pk1gi$u6q$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> >   signal_spotter@my-deja.com wrote:
> > > Again all you've done is snip bits of my reply and then take them
> out
> > > of context to form your arguement. I accept constructive critism
> from
> > > drivers, not whinges. And lastly, I did not develop the signalling
> > > systems in use throughout the world. When I design a layout I have
> to
> > > follow the standards and principles in use for that system. Your
> > > system. So if you have a gripe about signalling in UK then take it
> up
> > > with Railtrack. And no I did not design Central or Jubilee lines,
> but
> > > all you're doing is whinging about it anyway.
> >
> > Would you explain what I have taken out of context? All I have done
is
> > to show to this list that you are not interested as to what happens
to
> > both drivers and passengers. I would suppose you would call my
concern
> > for passengers being injured as a result of a stick being thrown
back
> a
> > whinge.
> >
> > The problem is Ian, you cannot accept constructive criticism so to
> > cover up this fact you call it whinges.
> >
> > Also your contempt for drivers who live in the real world and can
> > therefore give you real world feedback shines through.
> >
> > Which is a shame really because your knowledge of signals is
valuable
> > to this list.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Frank
> > > regards Ian
> > >
> > > In article <8pjvvn$sfn$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> > >   antstig@my-deja.com wrote:
> > > > In article <8pjf7b$88g$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> > > >   signal_spotter@my-deja.com wrote:
> > > > > The context I was reffering to when I said "would not cause a
> > > problem"
> > > > > was in relation to the signalling, not the passengers on
board.
> >
> > > >
> > > > Well, silly me. I forgot as a designer you would not be
concerned
> > > about
> > > > little old ladies breaking a leg because the train was tripped
and
> > > > brought to a sudden halt not to mention the stress caused to the
> > > > drivers.
> > > >
> > > > Where I come from we regard a signal passed at danger as a
signal
> > > > passed at danger regardless of whose fault it is.
> > > >
> > > > >And FYI I do talk to
> > > > > drivers and I also design signalling in UK.
> > > >
> > > > I hope you didn't design the signals for the Central or Jubillee
> > > Lines!
> > > > :-)
> > > >
> > > > You may talk to drivers but these posts of yours suggest you may
> not
> > > > listen.
> > > >
> > > > >It's good to see that
> > > > > drivers are the same the world over. :-P
> > > >
> > > > This sentence just about sums up your attitude. I must ask some
> > signal
> > > > engineer friends of mine what they think of signal designer
> > engineers.
> > > >
> > > > Regards
> > > >
> > > > Frank
> > > > >
> > > > > regards Ian
> > > > > Signal Design Engineer
> > > > >
> > > > > In article <8piifj$3va$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> > > > >   antstig@my-deja.com wrote:
> > > > > > Ian wrote:
> > > > > > >Anyway the fact that the signaller threw the stick back in
> the
> > > face
> > > > > of
> > > > > > >the driver (which he is entitled to do) would not have
> caused a
> > > > > > >problem.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This shows just out of touch Ian is with what happens on the
> > > > railways.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 1. Throwing the stick back in the driver's face will cause a
> > sharp
> > > > > jolt
> > > > > > (train being tripped) which could throw someone old and
frail
> to
> > > the
> > > > > > floor
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 2. Although there are laid down procedures for passing a
> signal
> > at
> > > > > > danger once you have passed a signal at danger you increase
> the
> > > > > > likelidhood of something going wrong
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 3. It is not a pleasant experience for the driver who will
> worry
> > > > that
> > > > > > he will get the blame, especially if he has any doubt as to
> what
> > > > > > happened
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I can only speak for the UK but a signal operator is *not*
> > > entitled
> > > > to
> > > > > > throw a stick back in a driver's face, unless maybe in a
life
> > > > > > threatening emergency.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If a signal operator requires to take a release (wrong
signal
> > > > lowered,
> > > > > > change in destination for train etc.) he must check that all
> > > trains
> > > > in
> > > > > > the affected area are at a standstill in the affected area
> (as a
> > > > > > release will turn all signals in that area to danger) before
> he
> > > does
> > > > > so.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Surely the same rules apply in Australia?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If a stick is thrown back in the face of the driver then it
is
> > the
> > > > > > driver's duty as far as I'm concerned to make out a report
to
> > > avoid
> > > > a
> > > > > > cover up which inevitably happens if he doesn't.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ian, I suggest you talk to train drivers before you start
> > talkling
> > > > > > about something you don't know anything about. By talking to
> > them
> > > it
> > > > > > might help you in your design of signals.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Frank
> > > > > >
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