Re: Signaller causes SPAD

[antstig@my-deja.com]

In article <8pk1gi$u6q$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,
  signal_spotter@my-deja.com wrote:
> Again all you've done is snip bits of my reply and then take them out
> of context to form your arguement. I accept constructive critism from
> drivers, not whinges. And lastly, I did not develop the signalling
> systems in use throughout the world. When I design a layout I have to
> follow the standards and principles in use for that system. Your
> system. So if you have a gripe about signalling in UK then take it up
> with Railtrack. And no I did not design Central or Jubilee lines, but
> all you're doing is whinging about it anyway.

Would you explain what I have taken out of context? All I have done is
to show to this list that you are not interested as to what happens to
both drivers and passengers. I would suppose you would call my concern
for passengers being injured as a result of a stick being thrown back a
whinge.

The problem is Ian, you cannot accept constructive criticism so to
cover up this fact you call it whinges.

Also your contempt for drivers who live in the real world and can
therefore give you real world feedback shines through.

Which is a shame really because your knowledge of signals is valuable
to this list.

Regards

Frank
> regards Ian
>
> In article <8pjvvn$sfn$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,
>   antstig@my-deja.com wrote:
> > In article <8pjf7b$88g$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> >   signal_spotter@my-deja.com wrote:
> > > The context I was reffering to when I said "would not cause a
> problem"
> > > was in relation to the signalling, not the passengers on board. >
> >
> > Well, silly me. I forgot as a designer you would not be concerned
> about
> > little old ladies breaking a leg because the train was tripped and
> > brought to a sudden halt not to mention the stress caused to the
> > drivers.
> >
> > Where I come from we regard a signal passed at danger as a signal
> > passed at danger regardless of whose fault it is.
> >
> > >And FYI I do talk to
> > > drivers and I also design signalling in UK.
> >
> > I hope you didn't design the signals for the Central or Jubillee
> Lines!
> > :-)
> >
> > You may talk to drivers but these posts of yours suggest you may not
> > listen.
> >
> > >It's good to see that
> > > drivers are the same the world over. :-P
> >
> > This sentence just about sums up your attitude. I must ask some
signal
> > engineer friends of mine what they think of signal designer
engineers.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Frank
> > >
> > > regards Ian
> > > Signal Design Engineer
> > >
> > > In article <8piifj$3va$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> > >   antstig@my-deja.com wrote:
> > > > Ian wrote:
> > > > >Anyway the fact that the signaller threw the stick back in the
> face
> > > of
> > > > >the driver (which he is entitled to do) would not have caused a
> > > > >problem.
> > > >
> > > > This shows just out of touch Ian is with what happens on the
> > railways.
> > > >
> > > > 1. Throwing the stick back in the driver's face will cause a
sharp
> > > jolt
> > > > (train being tripped) which could throw someone old and frail to
> the
> > > > floor
> > > >
> > > > 2. Although there are laid down procedures for passing a signal
at
> > > > danger once you have passed a signal at danger you increase the
> > > > likelidhood of something going wrong
> > > >
> > > > 3. It is not a pleasant experience for the driver who will worry
> > that
> > > > he will get the blame, especially if he has any doubt as to what
> > > > happened
> > > >
> > > > I can only speak for the UK but a signal operator is *not*
> entitled
> > to
> > > > throw a stick back in a driver's face, unless maybe in a life
> > > > threatening emergency.
> > > >
> > > > If a signal operator requires to take a release (wrong signal
> > lowered,
> > > > change in destination for train etc.) he must check that all
> trains
> > in
> > > > the affected area are at a standstill in the affected area (as a
> > > > release will turn all signals in that area to danger) before he
> does
> > > so.
> > > >
> > > > Surely the same rules apply in Australia?
> > > >
> > > > If a stick is thrown back in the face of the driver then it is
the
> > > > driver's duty as far as I'm concerned to make out a report to
> avoid
> > a
> > > > cover up which inevitably happens if he doesn't.
> > > >
> > > > Ian, I suggest you talk to train drivers before you start
talkling
> > > > about something you don't know anything about. By talking to
them
> it
> > > > might help you in your design of signals.
> > > >
> > > > Regards
> > > >
> > > > Frank
> > > >
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