Re: Signaller causes SPAD

["Steve" <pracys@eisa.com.au>]

Well yet another piece of useless drivel by the signal engineer.
The SWU`s provide for the returning to stop of signals but the person
returning the stick is to inform the driver of the intention to do so!!!!!
Sometimes this is not possible as things happen out of the blue so to speak.
The driver is to make every attempt to stop at the stick that has been
returned to stop.
This would include putting the brake in emergency.
The driver has no idea why the stick has been returned to stop, therefore he
must make every attempt to stop his side of the stick, may be a serious
condition ahead affecting the line etc..
Steve
signal_spotter@my-deja.com wrote in message <8pk1gi$u6q$1@nnrp1.deja.com>...
>Again all you've done is snip bits of my reply and then take them out
>of context to form your arguement. I accept constructive critism from
>drivers, not whinges. And lastly, I did not develop the signalling
>systems in use throughout the world. When I design a layout I have to
>follow the standards and principles in use for that system. Your
>system. So if you have a gripe about signalling in UK then take it up
>with Railtrack. And no I did not design Central or Jubilee lines, but
>all you're doing is whinging about it anyway.
>
>regards Ian
>
>In article <8pjvvn$sfn$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,
>  antstig@my-deja.com wrote:
>> In article <8pjf7b$88g$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,
>>   signal_spotter@my-deja.com wrote:
>> > The context I was reffering to when I said "would not cause a
>problem"
>> > was in relation to the signalling, not the passengers on board. >
>>
>> Well, silly me. I forgot as a designer you would not be concerned
>about
>> little old ladies breaking a leg because the train was tripped and
>> brought to a sudden halt not to mention the stress caused to the
>> drivers.
>>
>> Where I come from we regard a signal passed at danger as a signal
>> passed at danger regardless of whose fault it is.
>>
>> >And FYI I do talk to
>> > drivers and I also design signalling in UK.
>>
>> I hope you didn't design the signals for the Central or Jubillee
>Lines!
>> :-)
>>
>> You may talk to drivers but these posts of yours suggest you may not
>> listen.
>>
>> >It's good to see that
>> > drivers are the same the world over. :-P
>>
>> This sentence just about sums up your attitude. I must ask some signal
>> engineer friends of mine what they think of signal designer engineers.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Frank
>> >
>> > regards Ian
>> > Signal Design Engineer
>> >
>> > In article <8piifj$3va$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,
>> >   antstig@my-deja.com wrote:
>> > > Ian wrote:
>> > > >Anyway the fact that the signaller threw the stick back in the
>face
>> > of
>> > > >the driver (which he is entitled to do) would not have caused a
>> > > >problem.
>> > >
>> > > This shows just out of touch Ian is with what happens on the
>> railways.
>> > >
>> > > 1. Throwing the stick back in the driver's face will cause a sharp
>> > jolt
>> > > (train being tripped) which could throw someone old and frail to
>the
>> > > floor
>> > >
>> > > 2. Although there are laid down procedures for passing a signal at
>> > > danger once you have passed a signal at danger you increase the
>> > > likelidhood of something going wrong
>> > >
>> > > 3. It is not a pleasant experience for the driver who will worry
>> that
>> > > he will get the blame, especially if he has any doubt as to what
>> > > happened
>> > >
>> > > I can only speak for the UK but a signal operator is *not*
>entitled
>> to
>> > > throw a stick back in a driver's face, unless maybe in a life
>> > > threatening emergency.
>> > >
>> > > If a signal operator requires to take a release (wrong signal
>> lowered,
>> > > change in destination for train etc.) he must check that all
>trains
>> in
>> > > the affected area are at a standstill in the affected area (as a
>> > > release will turn all signals in that area to danger) before he
>does
>> > so.
>> > >
>> > > Surely the same rules apply in Australia?
>> > >
>> > > If a stick is thrown back in the face of the driver then it is the
>> > > driver's duty as far as I'm concerned to make out a report to
>avoid
>> a
>> > > cover up which inevitably happens if he doesn't.
>> > >
>> > > Ian, I suggest you talk to train drivers before you start talkling
>> > > about something you don't know anything about. By talking to them
>it
>> > > might help you in your design of signals.
>> > >
>> > > Regards
>> > >
>> > > Frank
>> > >
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>> > >
>> >
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