Re: Signaller causes SPAD

[antstig@my-deja.com]

In article <8pm8kj$qtc$1@news.eisa.net.au>,
  "Steve" <pracys@eisa.com.au> wrote:
> Well yet another piece of useless drivel by the signal engineer.

I would not say that everything that Ian posts is drivel. His big
problem is that his knowledge of what we drivers experience is limited
and he must learn to listen to us and not dismiss us as whingers.

Signal engineers (the guys who repair signal defects etc in all
weathers) where I work get on very well with the drivers. They gave me
a wonderful story of a signal design engineer who was spotted reading a
signal circuit layout upside down! That doesn't surprise me really, as
the signal engineers say that the signal design engineers are out of
touch with reality. But I guess Ian would call the signal engineers
whingers because they do not subscribe to the phantasies of signal
design engineers.

> The driver has no idea why the stick has been returned to stop,
therefore he
> must make every attempt to stop his side of the stick, may be a
serious
> condition ahead affecting the line etc..

Quite so and for the benefit of those that are not knowedgeable of what
those conditions might be (does this apply to you Ian?) I will list
some:

Obstruction on track, could be tree, metal bar, derailed train etc.

Broken rail

Flooding

Illegal wrong direction movement by train. (Yes it does happen).

Track fire

Regards

Frank

> The driver is to make every attempt to stop at the stick that has been
> returned to stop.
> This would include putting the brake in emergency.
> The driver has no idea why the stick has been returned to stop,
therefore he
> must make every attempt to stop his side of the stick, may be a
serious
> condition ahead affecting the line etc..
> Steve
> signal_spotter@my-deja.com wrote in message
<8pk1gi$u6q$1@nnrp1.deja.com>...
> >Again all you've done is snip bits of my reply and then take them out
> >of context to form your arguement. I accept constructive critism from
> >drivers, not whinges. And lastly, I did not develop the signalling
> >systems in use throughout the world. When I design a layout I have to
> >follow the standards and principles in use for that system. Your
> >system. So if you have a gripe about signalling in UK then take it up
> >with Railtrack. And no I did not design Central or Jubilee lines, but
> >all you're doing is whinging about it anyway.
> >
> >regards Ian
> >
> >In article <8pjvvn$sfn$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> >  antstig@my-deja.com wrote:
> >> In article <8pjf7b$88g$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> >>   signal_spotter@my-deja.com wrote:
> >> > The context I was reffering to when I said "would not cause a
> >problem"
> >> > was in relation to the signalling, not the passengers on board. >
> >>
> >> Well, silly me. I forgot as a designer you would not be concerned
> >about
> >> little old ladies breaking a leg because the train was tripped and
> >> brought to a sudden halt not to mention the stress caused to the
> >> drivers.
> >>
> >> Where I come from we regard a signal passed at danger as a signal
> >> passed at danger regardless of whose fault it is.
> >>
> >> >And FYI I do talk to
> >> > drivers and I also design signalling in UK.
> >>
> >> I hope you didn't design the signals for the Central or Jubillee
> >Lines!
> >> :-)
> >>
> >> You may talk to drivers but these posts of yours suggest you may
not
> >> listen.
> >>
> >> >It's good to see that
> >> > drivers are the same the world over. :-P
> >>
> >> This sentence just about sums up your attitude. I must ask some
signal
> >> engineer friends of mine what they think of signal designer
engineers.
> >>
> >> Regards
> >>
> >> Frank
> >> >
> >> > regards Ian
> >> > Signal Design Engineer
> >> >
> >> > In article <8piifj$3va$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> >> >   antstig@my-deja.com wrote:
> >> > > Ian wrote:
> >> > > >Anyway the fact that the signaller threw the stick back in the
> >face
> >> > of
> >> > > >the driver (which he is entitled to do) would not have caused
a
> >> > > >problem.
> >> > >
> >> > > This shows just out of touch Ian is with what happens on the
> >> railways.
> >> > >
> >> > > 1. Throwing the stick back in the driver's face will cause a
sharp
> >> > jolt
> >> > > (train being tripped) which could throw someone old and frail
to
> >the
> >> > > floor
> >> > >
> >> > > 2. Although there are laid down procedures for passing a
signal at
> >> > > danger once you have passed a signal at danger you increase the
> >> > > likelidhood of something going wrong
> >> > >
> >> > > 3. It is not a pleasant experience for the driver who will
worry
> >> that
> >> > > he will get the blame, especially if he has any doubt as to
what
> >> > > happened
> >> > >
> >> > > I can only speak for the UK but a signal operator is *not*
> >entitled
> >> to
> >> > > throw a stick back in a driver's face, unless maybe in a life
> >> > > threatening emergency.
> >> > >
> >> > > If a signal operator requires to take a release (wrong signal
> >> lowered,
> >> > > change in destination for train etc.) he must check that all
> >trains
> >> in
> >> > > the affected area are at a standstill in the affected area (as
a
> >> > > release will turn all signals in that area to danger) before he
> >does
> >> > so.
> >> > >
> >> > > Surely the same rules apply in Australia?
> >> > >
> >> > > If a stick is thrown back in the face of the driver then it is
the
> >> > > driver's duty as far as I'm concerned to make out a report to
> >avoid
> >> a
> >> > > cover up which inevitably happens if he doesn't.
> >> > >
> >> > > Ian, I suggest you talk to train drivers before you start
talkling
> >> > > about something you don't know anything about. By talking to
them
> >it
> >> > > might help you in your design of signals.
> >> > >
> >> > > Regards
> >> > >
> >> > > Frank
> >> > >
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