Re: Signaller causes SPAD

[signal_spotter@my-deja.com]

Hey I didn't start this driver vs engineer war. Ever since I started
reading/contributing to this NG, just about every driver has had some
little dig at me whether it's due to catchpoints in the main line or
bad sighting on signals that I've had nothing to do with, etc etc etc.
I don't complain to them about their driving. Maybe I should. Just 2
days ago I caught the train from the city and our driver misjudged his
approach into the station, slammed on the brakes and nearly passed the
signal at stop. Nearly all of us were thrown around. We were right
behind the Guards Compartment and when we alighted and I commented to
my colleagues that the driver almost SPADDED, the guard became quite
irate. Bet that incident didn't get reported. So maybe this contempt
that you drivers are sensing is just my responding to your equally
contempt posts towards me.

regards Ian
Signal Design Engineer

In article <8pmas3$luh$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,
  antstig@my-deja.com wrote:
> In article <8pk1gi$u6q$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,
>   signal_spotter@my-deja.com wrote:
> > Again all you've done is snip bits of my reply and then take them
out
> > of context to form your arguement. I accept constructive critism
from
> > drivers, not whinges. And lastly, I did not develop the signalling
> > systems in use throughout the world. When I design a layout I have
to
> > follow the standards and principles in use for that system. Your
> > system. So if you have a gripe about signalling in UK then take it
up
> > with Railtrack. And no I did not design Central or Jubilee lines,
but
> > all you're doing is whinging about it anyway.
>
> Would you explain what I have taken out of context? All I have done is
> to show to this list that you are not interested as to what happens to
> both drivers and passengers. I would suppose you would call my concern
> for passengers being injured as a result of a stick being thrown back
a
> whinge.
>
> The problem is Ian, you cannot accept constructive criticism so to
> cover up this fact you call it whinges.
>
> Also your contempt for drivers who live in the real world and can
> therefore give you real world feedback shines through.
>
> Which is a shame really because your knowledge of signals is valuable
> to this list.
>
> Regards
>
> Frank
> > regards Ian
> >
> > In article <8pjvvn$sfn$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> >   antstig@my-deja.com wrote:
> > > In article <8pjf7b$88g$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> > >   signal_spotter@my-deja.com wrote:
> > > > The context I was reffering to when I said "would not cause a
> > problem"
> > > > was in relation to the signalling, not the passengers on board.
>
> > >
> > > Well, silly me. I forgot as a designer you would not be concerned
> > about
> > > little old ladies breaking a leg because the train was tripped and
> > > brought to a sudden halt not to mention the stress caused to the
> > > drivers.
> > >
> > > Where I come from we regard a signal passed at danger as a signal
> > > passed at danger regardless of whose fault it is.
> > >
> > > >And FYI I do talk to
> > > > drivers and I also design signalling in UK.
> > >
> > > I hope you didn't design the signals for the Central or Jubillee
> > Lines!
> > > :-)
> > >
> > > You may talk to drivers but these posts of yours suggest you may
not
> > > listen.
> > >
> > > >It's good to see that
> > > > drivers are the same the world over. :-P
> > >
> > > This sentence just about sums up your attitude. I must ask some
> signal
> > > engineer friends of mine what they think of signal designer
> engineers.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > Frank
> > > >
> > > > regards Ian
> > > > Signal Design Engineer
> > > >
> > > > In article <8piifj$3va$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> > > >   antstig@my-deja.com wrote:
> > > > > Ian wrote:
> > > > > >Anyway the fact that the signaller threw the stick back in
the
> > face
> > > > of
> > > > > >the driver (which he is entitled to do) would not have
caused a
> > > > > >problem.
> > > > >
> > > > > This shows just out of touch Ian is with what happens on the
> > > railways.
> > > > >
> > > > > 1. Throwing the stick back in the driver's face will cause a
> sharp
> > > > jolt
> > > > > (train being tripped) which could throw someone old and frail
to
> > the
> > > > > floor
> > > > >
> > > > > 2. Although there are laid down procedures for passing a
signal
> at
> > > > > danger once you have passed a signal at danger you increase
the
> > > > > likelidhood of something going wrong
> > > > >
> > > > > 3. It is not a pleasant experience for the driver who will
worry
> > > that
> > > > > he will get the blame, especially if he has any doubt as to
what
> > > > > happened
> > > > >
> > > > > I can only speak for the UK but a signal operator is *not*
> > entitled
> > > to
> > > > > throw a stick back in a driver's face, unless maybe in a life
> > > > > threatening emergency.
> > > > >
> > > > > If a signal operator requires to take a release (wrong signal
> > > lowered,
> > > > > change in destination for train etc.) he must check that all
> > trains
> > > in
> > > > > the affected area are at a standstill in the affected area
(as a
> > > > > release will turn all signals in that area to danger) before
he
> > does
> > > > so.
> > > > >
> > > > > Surely the same rules apply in Australia?
> > > > >
> > > > > If a stick is thrown back in the face of the driver then it is
> the
> > > > > driver's duty as far as I'm concerned to make out a report to
> > avoid
> > > a
> > > > > cover up which inevitably happens if he doesn't.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ian, I suggest you talk to train drivers before you start
> talkling
> > > > > about something you don't know anything about. By talking to
> them
> > it
> > > > > might help you in your design of signals.
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards
> > > > >
> > > > > Frank
> > > > >
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