Re: Pendennis Castle_MUA - offshoot

["chris@enet21.com.au" <chris@enet21.com.au>]

I believe my comment about this earlier started this little discussion.

Regards

Chris


david wrote:

> How do we feel feel about the Tasmanian Garrett , the K class being takend back to
> theUK, restored to stactic condition, now  well on the way to being an operating
> unit for use over there ?  I  feel it would be good to have it back, thus can think
> the ' Castle would have the same emotions for the UK Railways.
>
> Any ideas on the Garrett ??
>
> James Brook wrote:
>
> > Rod Gayford wrote:
> >
> > > But your arguement is illogical.  If you say return Pendenis Castle to the
> > > UK because it has no relevance to Australia then surely the F7 and the S1
> > > should be returned to the USA.
> >
> > The F7 and the S2 were used by Mt Newman and Hammersley Iron for construction
> > and early operations. The Pendennis Castle was purchased for the sole purpose of
> > running a tourist train, nothing else. The F7 and the S2 had a role in
> > developing the railroads of the Pilbara, the Pendennis Castle didn't. This means
> > the F7 and the S2 are historically relevant to Australia while the Pendennis
> > Castle has more historical relevance to the UK and the development of their
> > railways.
> >
> > > What about the ex Zephyr General Pershing
> > > car thats up there too. I am sure there are plenty of of US groups that
> > > would take such stock.
> >
> > If there is anything that was not used by the mining companies for anything
> > other than tourist trains then they should be sent back to their original
> > country where they will be looked after instead of rusting away in an Australian
> > museum that doesn't have funds to look after them properly.
> >
> > > I really get the impression that a core of the group
> > > who subscribe to Ausrail are anti union since you seem to get very upset at
> > > union involvement.
> >
> > I am not anit-union. Unions have their place but sometimes they get carried away
> > and demand too much or they cause trouble as a form of revenge against large
> > companies. Whether the companies deserve it or not, this sort of behaviour makes
> > the unions look like nothing more than a bunch of rabble just out for attention.
> >
> > > If the unions by a black ban can keep the Castle here
> > > then all power to them.
> >
> > The unions should be concerned with looking after the rights of their members,
> > not stirring trouble over something that doesn't affect the rights of their
> > employees. Exporting the Pendennis Castle will not affect the wages, working
> > conditions or anything else for members of the various Australian unions. I hope
> > the MUA ignores requests like yours.
> > > My position is still that I do not want to see
> >
> > > Didicot get the loco. I have no intention of ever travelling to the UK so my
> > > only chance is to see it here.
> >
> > And what about the people who can't afford to travel from the UK to Australia.
> > Should they miss out on seeing a piece of their history? If seeing the loco
> > running was so important to you then why didn't you go to the Pilbara to see it
> > a few years ago? What about the Flying Scotsman? No one complained when it was
> > sent back to the UK after its tour of Australia. Once we had it out here, why
> > did we give it back? According to what your arguments, the MUA should have black
> > banned its return so other Australians could see something that is a part of
> > British heritage.
> >
> > I think the best thing would be if the loco was returned to service in
> > Australia. It could tour the mainland standard gauge network for a few years
> > before it is sent overseas. This would give people like you the chance to see
> > it. Unfortunately this will not happen, but I think returning it to the UK is
> > better than leaving it here to rust.
> >
> > --
> > - James Brook -
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