Re: Guard & Drivers Working Together.

["f.u.i.t.b.e.t" <fuitbet@yahoo.com.au>]

So what is it like being a Guard?
Guards have rode around on conditions won by the drivers.....even shit on us
when we went out on the grass in support of their positions in the van on
freight trains....So the way I see it is they are PARASITES riding around on
our backs.....pass the mortein.....
"Karina Vor-daniken" <vorgestern@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Tezza" <tezza2000@dingoblue.net.au> wrote in message
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> > "Karina Vor-daniken" <vorgestern@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >
> > Seeing as how you've snipped the whole damn post, I'll just have to
guess
> > that you're replying to me.
> >
> > | So what your saying is that the air-conditioning in the drivers cab is
> > | almost worthless if the guard operated from the front of the train.
> >
> > I was stating the obvious. You don't leave your doors or windows open at
> > home with the air-con on.
> >
> > | What's the efficiency of the air-conditioning for the guard normally.
> >
> > Ask a guard.
>
> Why ask a guard, by your own admission it's not good. But who cares.
> ------------------------------
> >
> > | So what your implying is stuff the guard, I'm OK up front.
> >
> > You infer incorrectly.
>
> Your responses hints otherwise.
> >
> >
> > | Poor old guard, longer shifts, poorer conditions, less pay I dare say.
> >
> > What are their poorer conditions? They usually make more than Drivers.
> >
> >
> > | What about the crap seat the guard has to sit.
> >
> > The Driver's seat?
>
> Using the drivers must tell your what I said is correct. Its crap.
> That answer obviously tells us the obvious does it not.
> -------------------------------
>
> > | Again, stuff him, my arse is quiet comfortable thank you.
> >
> > Where do you get this crap from?
>
> What crap, its the blind truth.
> ------------------------------
>
> > | Is not the poor old guard the sap that has to get up and down every
> > | few minutes, while the drivers simply sits on his arse.
> >
> > No, he's the one who gets to sit and read most of the shift while the
Driver
> > hauls him around.
> >
> >
> > | The guard standing in the door way when it's pouring rain.
> >
> > That's part of his job, if he doesn't like it he can change.
>
> Yes thats right, you simply don't care about your fellow train crew.
> Like said before, train crewing cannot work together without bias.
> ------------------------------
>
> > | Don't worry, the driver is still dry and comfortable.
> >
> > So what if we were? BTW, the Driver's cab usually gets wetter than the
> > guard's. Plus we get water dripping on us and on the dash.
>
> How much water pours in through the open doors on rainy days. Right,
> keeping going your doing well here so far.
> --------------------------------
>
> > | [and getting paid more with shorter shifts I'm told]
> >
> > A guard works longer shifts cause they're greedy and didn't trade them
off.
> > With the longer shifts and more overtime they quite often earn more than
> > Drivers.
>
> Excuse me, I thought working longer hours would have that result.
> Shame the guard likely has to work 10 hours a week longer to bring
> home the same pay packet.
> ---------------------------------
>
>
> > | A drivers no doubt carries greater prestige.
> > | Many would happily tell people they are a driver. What's the guard
> > | tell people, I'm the bloke that opens & closes the doors from the
> > | caboose.  From memory, the guards seat does not even face the
> > | direction of travel.
> >
> > The same seat that Driver Trainers use. BTW, most guards use the
Driver's
> > seat.
>
> Obviously you have never spent 8 hours sitting on the guards seat
> than.
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>
> > | I have seen drivers wearing jeans, running shoes and comfortable
shirts.
> >
> > That would be, because Drivers, unlike guards were not issued with a
> > uniform. (until May 2000).
>
> from memory, drivers had an option of the green shirts, trousers &
> jacket. Most never excercised that option because they wanted to wear
> comfortable cloths like running shoes, jeans and shirts. Would not
> want to be recongised by the public would we.
> ----------------------------------
>
> > | I have failed to see a guard turning up for duty looking like that.
> >
> > That would be because they were issued with a uniform.
> >
> >
> > | Listen, from what I have observed the drivers appear to have it quiet
> > | good. [nothing has changed since my old friend worked as a guard back
> > | in the 80's]  I said in the above post that drivers and guards cannot
> > | really work together.
> >
> > Only about as well as the guard and the station assistant or the guard
and
> > the station master could work together.
>
> Very true. Low moral, staff cannot work together. Is that not what I
> have been saying.
> --------------------------------
>
> > | You have only reinforced my opinion:
> > | Quote,  "Personally I don't like the guards up the front as they have
> > | to keep opening the doors, which negates any heating/air-conditioning
> > | which may be in use".
> >
> > Nothing anyone says is going to change it, your little rant proves that.
> >
> > | Not wonder the system is totally screwed.
>
> Is really a rant, or simply the truth.
> ---------------------------------------
>
> > The system is screwed because a Driver likes to work in the same comfort
as
> > most other workers? Or because or your observations 20 years ago? Get a
> > grip.
>
> Anyone whom reads your respones can see what your attitude is. [and
> what weak come-backs]
> Why cannot the guard experience the same comfort?
> Why, because attitudes like yours display selfish opinions. What
> happened in the 80's should not influence what happens today. The
> thing is, drivers have got what they want already.
> I really feel sorry for drivers, I hope that the water coming through
> the dash does not disturb your comfort to much. Stay cool in your
> air-condition cab, with your tail on a comfortable seat. Oh, and your
> shorter shifts & higher pay. hourly rate]  For your money, drivers
> don't even deal with the public. Your grasping at straws with your
> responses my friend.