[NSW] Chris' & Tezza's AL Diatribe (was: Carr blames Fahey for Airport Link bill)

["Chris Downs" <cvdowns@ozemail.com.au>]

CONSOLIDATED VERSION

Tezza <tezza2000@dingoblue.net.au> wrote in message
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> "Chris Downs"
> > Tezza
>
> > > I was waiting for your AL stats to prove the on-time running wasn't
high,
> > but you don't have any. As I said they're cancelling and transposing
other
> > > services to keep the ghost trains running and on time.
> >
> > I don't have AL stats and have never said that I have.
>
> Yet you were saying the stats proved what you were claiming.

So you're saying that the AL was better than the network average or are you
really saying nothing and obfuscating the issue?

> >  I do have CityRail
> > stats and CityRail confirmed after the opening of the AL that Sector 2,
> > especially the East Hills/AL, had the worst on-time running across the
> > network.
>
> And what was /where is that confirmation? The East Hills line certainly
got
> worse. They would terminate down trains at Turella and dump all the
regulars
> out so they could run another up service through the ghost stations.

Where do cancelled trains figure in the stats.  I thought they were omitted
from
late running stats (please correct me if I'm wrong) which would probably
improve
the EHL's figures.  Again I'd love to see your figures that clearly show my
extrapolation is wrong.

> >  Now unless CityRail is lying in in their stats or statements (and
> > I don't think for a second they are), this supports my argument.  I'm
> > talking about the last 7 months, you're choosing a conveniently shorter
and
> > more recent period.
>
> I haven't "chosen" any period. You've provided nothing for your claims
about
> the AL.

That's they key to many of your points, hyperbole without substance or
reasoning.
I'm prepared to say why I believe something and quote why.  Why don't you?

> > > you're still the unluckiest person around when it comes to cancelled
> > trains. I repeat - "I've
> > > been through about 100 times without a single canclled *AL* service".
> >
> > No, many were unlucky when the AL opened, the service on the East Hills
line
> > and the AL was atrocious.
>
> And as pointed out above East Hills line regulars were sacrificed to keep
up
> the trains through the ghost stations.
>
> >  The media reports actually backed up my
> > experience and those of another regular EHL traveller I know.  Several
> > things have improved performance including settling in of the TT,
> > maintenance improvements
>
> And what would they be?

Rollers for point blades certainly spring to mind.

> > and transpositions.  The service now is much better
> > but still has some way to go.  The TT needs a good work over, it's just
too
> > demanding of sector 2, which lacks the more generous overtaking and
> > seperated turnback facilities of sectors 1 & 3.
>
> Definately. They need to reduce the number of trains through the ghost
> stations.

That in itself improves service reliability how?  I suspect a more
comprehensive
strategy is called for.

> > > > > > > > Is a new CityRail TT on the board for the near future - one
in
> > which sector 2 services are more robust?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > *****There's always a new timetable coming.*****
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Avoid half the question and give a smart arse answer - typical.
> > > > .....for the near future?
> > > > >
> > > > > *****I just told you - there's *ALWAYS* a new timetable coming.
That's
> not
> > a smartarse answer, you obviously haven't got a clue about the
> railways.*****
> > > >
> > > > If it wasn't a smart arse answer you've avoided another question
> > (chronic
> > > > evasion).
> > >
> > > *****I **ANSWERED** the question - there is **ALWAYS** another
timetable
> > coming. As for specifics, you'd have to talk to someone in timetabling/
> train
> > planning.*****
> > > >
> > > > Is a new CityRail TT on the board for the near future?
> > >
> > > *****YESyesYESyesYESyesYESyesYESyesYESyesYES*****
> > >
> > > Get the point?
> > >
> > Your "answer" to the question did not actually answer the question put.
> > From above your answer to my question actually is "I don't know" not
"yes".
>
> Really can't take yes for an answer can you. For the 5th time there is
another
> timetable coming. I've told you, Cityrail's told you, Bob Carr's told you,
the
> newspapers have told you and the TV has told you and the radio has told
you.
> Talk about dense.

3 times you didn't say near future and twice you did - I now know which you
want
me to believe but should I believe it?

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> > > > > As you've already been told at least twice, they're in use.
> > > >
> > > > No one has stated that Gosford's G-sets are regularly rostered on
> > > weekends. All comments have been that all Campbelltown's Tangaras are
in
> > > use.
> >
> > You were told TWICE that all Tangaras are in use unless in for
> > maintainance, balancing.
>
> > See below.

> Nothing new.

Nothing resolved.

> > > > Again, you can easily prove me wrong.  What are some of the run
details
> > of these regular timetabled Gosford G-sets on weekends?  the only thing
> > I've seen in WTTs is that they stable Friday evening and start on Monday
> > morning and snooze in between.
> > >
> > > I don't know. I don't care.
> >
> > That's coz you're wrong.

> It wasn't my claim.

You use it as an answer of support and then state "It wasn't my claim".
Interesting
approach that resolves nothing.

> > I'd ask someone to verify on Gosford's G-sets but
> > I suspect everyone bar you and I switched off the lights long ago and
went
> > to bed on this topic.

> I'm not surprised. But at last we finally agreed that the exhorbitant
fares
> were the problem for the absymal failure of the ghost stations.

I haven't stated anything contrary to excessive fares being the main reason
for lower
than projected patronage, but I also say that other factors exacerbate the
patronage
problem.  Focus on what I'm saying rather than what you think I'm saying and
you'll
save us both a hell of a lot of effort.

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> > > Theres a thing called a door in the Drivers cab. It allows me access
to
> > > the exterior to actually view the passengers disembarking.
>
> > And you still ended up with 1,000/day.

> When I wasn't counting. Please try to keep up.

So unless you check your facts your judgement is severly biased.  Explains a
few of
your other answers to date.

> > > >  Much better to be nearer the middle of the platform and
> > > > have nothing else to focus on such drining your train.
> > >
> > > I prefer to drive it. But when it's stopped at a platform I can do
other
> > things.
> >
> > Like grossly underestimate?
>
> Like the experts grossly overestimated.

You're putting yourself in the same league as the "experts".  Not even I'm
cruel
enough to have thought of and suggest that as a possibility.

Chris