Re: [Vic] Fast (160km/h) Train to country Vic.

["Signal Adjuster" <grime@dcsi.net.au>]

Its all very well to have the best of every thing Richard but like theme
parks it economic realism,you need to have the population to support the
very best that money and technology can supply.
#1 We do not have the population to support 200km speed trains in our
regional corridors,Who the hell is going to use them.
I believe in another time same country that they tried your ideas but on a
different level,ie branch lines all over the place that even before they
where built they new would not be economic,but they did not let that get in
the way of a few votes.Bendigo line built to completely over the top
standards for a colony,ditto Geelong Ballarat double line,and so on.
Then it was left to the railways to divide the cake between all the demands
on the budget,no wonder passenger train speeds on main lines stayed the same
for so many years,there just was not enough money to go around.
And don't worry about the rest of the world laughing at us,they barely know
we exist,thank fully.
Graeme
"Richard" <richard_snook@primus.com.au> wrote in message
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>
> Dont get me wrong..I understand were probably heading down the road of
getting
> "OLD" technology...real old...gee whiz... we catch up to 160kph...sorry if
I
> dont get terribly excited. :-((
>
> Why do we HAVE to have this old crap...I mean has it been built yet..I
dont
> think so...ADTRANZ have just released a NEW generation regional set that
> employs all the goodies of TILT ..latest processor control etc..and it
doesnt
> hurt if it looks the part of being suitable for the 21st Century...Tilt
allows
> the raising of the bar..it can go faster on any track.....that is..it they
> upgrade the track to run 160...tilt can probably nudge 200+ in sections
>
> Every other country seems to realise that you might have to do some
serious
> track realignments or indeed "New" track...what do we Aussies have to put
up
> with...second rate bandaid jobs on our rail infrastructure.
>
> XPT..Explorer..quite frankly its OLD....is there no VISION in this
> country.(but eve nthe HST on which te XPT was based allowed for
> 200kph...granted..on sufficiently suitable track)
>
> But I suppose we work to our budgets of nothing-halfpenny!! Yes 160 is
better
> than 100-120.
>
> I sort of got the inmpression that all this hoo ha represented efforts
above
> and beyond any committment by NX to country pass-Rail ((Id appreciate
> clarification here!!) ...I thought that Bracks was upping the ante in this
> regard..that these sevices are and improvement over that which NX is
currently
> obliged to offer...must have got it wrong :-(((
>
> I love trains and would be blissfully excited to see some real upgrade of
the
> steel infrastructure......but 160kph is little league stuff...this would
be
> laughed at by European operators...so this is not Europe yousay..we have
> differnt criteria etc etc etc .  Given the renaissance undrway in the UK
and
> other parts of Europe I say we might well learn by what they are employing
as
> "benchmarks".  So are we trying to emulate "third world Standards " of
> transport ( a tad exagerated I acknowledge) or do we really want to get
> serious about running trains...instead of playing with them.
>
> >:~)) Richard
>
> james_ccj@my-deja.com wrote:
> >
> > In article <38D5C5BB.F124B7AE@primus.com.au>,
> > Richard <richard_snook@primus.com.au> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > james_ccj@my-deja.com wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > According to the radio,this project would create lots of jobs and
> > travel
> > > > time would cut by upto 1 hour ??!! is this possible? I though they
> > > > wanted to reduced timing to Bendigo by half an hour(from 1h 45
> > minutes
> > > > down to 1 h and 15 minutes),
> > >
> > > They're talking round trip savings!!..sounds better huh!!..as most of
> > these
> > > trips might be of the commute variety I suppose its realistic to talk
> > in terms
> > > of total journey (round trip).
> > >
> > > An hour a day is a pretty good pick up....still have to laugth at the
> > > Herald/Sun's littel table of comparison......banners like "Speed Rail"
> > and
> > > VFT...cringe cringe...160kph is fast..no arguement...but nothing
> > overly
> > > exciting really,,,very passe....to infer "Very" in talkng of regional
> > country
> > > pass...then at least 200kph should be the bench mark...and gee thats
> > been
> > > around for quite a few years..
> > 160 kph is good enough to bring rail into competitive position. Even
> > right now it's impossible to drive to Bendigo in 2 hours despite
> > highway undercut rail journey. It involve LOTS of rule breaking:-)
> >
> > > Now maybe something like the new Adtranz "Crusaris"...nowthat starts
> > to get
> > > seriosly interesting....diesel, tilt ..look pretty schmick too!!...
> > These railcar more likely to looklike explorer/endeavour/Australind
> > rather then any fancy looking euro trains.
> >
> > --
> > Cheers
> > James
> >
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