Re: DOO In Sydney? 4D and DOO

["John" <johnst@aics.net.au>]

Well put! You are exactly right.

Railway Rasputin <bob@fastlink.com.au> wrote in message
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> Exnarc wrote:
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> > Time will prove one of us wrong!!!
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> > Bob.
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> True.
> To get another angle of how it works up here, look at the train radio.
> Its taken 7 or so years and we still can't use it properly.
> Also the amout of years it takes to test is another cause of slow ups.
> One pice on enginering and don't ask me what it was for the life of me I
> can't remember, took 10 years to test. There is the steps at Macuarie
> Fields station which was built in 1979, I think, they were testing the
> paint or something. The last time I checked the plate was still there.
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> As David has said 2003 is the the year or there abouts for the start of
> DOO. Thats if they are on time. (I remember back in 1996 they said "By
> 1997 the guards will not make announcements all will be done automaticly
> via DVA. Well its 1999 now almost 2000 guards are still talking on PAs.)
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> Going back to train radio it too was supposed to be up and running 3 or
> 4 years ago. You should see some of the bullshit thats come out of that.
> A friend of mine was on the "Focus Group", he even might of been the
> manager, He told me of one set back, they were arguing where the Circut
> Breaker was going to be located, another should they have portables for
> guards and shunters.
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> We can't even keep the basics working, the Tangara has a door open
> light, a lot of these aren't working and its only a light.
> Train guards on Tangaras MUST ride in the rear half of the train. SRA
> has given us the bullshit excuse that passengers can't contact us if we
> are both on the one half. The real reason is that the 2 halves have been
> known to come apart and the breaks NOT apply. Anyone that disputes this
> can check with some guards at Campbelltown who have had it happen to
> them.
> So even if DOO magicly appears in 2003 you are still going to have
> someone in the 2nd half. You could also use their bullshit excuse that
> no one can contact the driver. (Tangaras have help points in each
> vestibule.)
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> If you use that excuse to all trains your up with a winner also S K C R
> L have no P.E points. If they put them in you will have to have someone
> resetting them because all the idiots will keep pressing them. The older
> trains have no Train Management System so they will have to be reset at
> individual points similar to V sets. (If guards on tangaras had a 2
> dollars for every false alarm they would double their pay.) You could
> say put cameras on them but you will need someone to monitor them.
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> Ok, so by a miracle they have got DOO up and running in 2003, which is
> highly doubtful because there are bound to be more reasons than the ones
> I have listed, then the education of the public will have to commence. I
> don't know about Victoria but we have some really stupid passengers up
> here, in fact we had a thread about it once.
> Also during peak the trains are almost all 8 cars. Correct me if I am
> wrong but even Melbourne have another person on the train during peak.
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> If you listen to the union, they reckon the guard will take on the role
> of train guard security guard, ticket snapper, ticket seller and
> infomation guide, as well as being able to preform some safeworking, ie
> move the train and place detonators etc. They will be renamed "train
> manager" or some bullshit thing and get a hugh pay rise. The source of
> this info is the union rep in Sydney.
> Call them what ever you want but they are still effectivly a train
> guard.
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> In short the bungling that occurs up here is the reason why there will
> be guards in 10 years time although their roles might change slightly.
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> rgds