Re: DOO In Sydney?

["Exnarc" <gwrly@netspace.net.au>]

Craig,

Just visit Melbourne, your answer will be before your eyes!!!

DOO works and it works well.

All of the arguements I've read so far are based on opinion, like Sydney is
different, or Sydney is bigger, or this platform is this curvie , or two
trains depart at the same time in the same direction,  (just like Richmond,
and Flinders Street or Caulfield and Camberwell) the list just goes on, but
no hard facts.

The hard facts are, guards don't perform any function on a modern railway
that the Driver can't doo (sorry for the punn). (Touch wood) we haven't lost
a single passengers life since DOO in Melbourne, there were a couple of
cases of woman claiming to have been trapped between doors with prams, but
in at least one of the two cases that come to mind the video survalance
equipment on the station proved she was not telling the truth in an effort
to make a false claim against the Department. The train won't depart until
the blue light stops flashing.

When you talk about passenger numbers, it doesn't make any difference
wheither you have 2 or 2,000, DOO still works.

It wasn't all that many years ago that crews and guards were saying 2 man
crewing is dangerous (WB TRAIN I THINK YOU CALL THEM), but they are not are
they???

Bob.

Bob.

C. Dewick <craigd@lios.apana.org.au> wrote in message
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> In <RXztN=YPH1fObNCRb3bHCaXMltyk@4ax.com>
billboltonREMOVE-TO-EMAIL@computer.org (Bill Bolton) writes:
>
> >"Exnarc" <gwrly@netspace.net.au> wrote:
>
> >> They aren't so in those cases you use CCTV Monitors on the platforms,
as
> >> does Melbourne now. The provision of vandal proof roller doors are of
cause
> >> essential as are hoods to shield the screens during bright sunlight.
Either
> >> way its cheaper than providing CCTV everywhere!!!
>
> >The technology exists today to readily put flat display video screens
> >in the drivers cab, then there's no vandalisation problems or daylight
> >visibility problems.
>
> But how do you counter the train and platform length issue? You either
need
> a very large display screen in the driver's cab to show simultaneous
> multiple images for curved platforms which would require at least 3 or
more
> cameras to give anything approaching reasonable coverage which would be
> legally acceptable in terms of public liability insurance, etc.
>
> The alternative of having a smaller screen, sequencing through a series of
> camera images every few seconds is not acceptable at all.
>
> It still comes right back to the issue of train, platform and population
> size. These are the key factors which Perth does not have to face at all
> (yet), and Melbourne has smaller, single deck trains so they don't get as
> many people on their trains anyway.
>
> Handling an 8 car train at say Wollstonecraft station in the morning peak
> with video cameras linked to a display unit in the driver's cab is going
to
> be *very* difficult to deal with... Too many issues all play together to
> make an adequate resolution to the issue hard to achieve.
>
> And having platform-mounted display units in secure cabinets is just not
> going to work at all since that would mean than every train, regardless of
> length, has to pull up at the departure end of the platform no matter
what.
> Admittedly that would be more of a cultural change than anything else, but
> changing the *passenger's* cultural views on where trains pull up will be
> much harder to achieve!
>
> I don't believe there is going to be any workable way of having DOO with
no
> guard-like person to assist drivers, at least during the daytime. Perhaps
at
> night after 10 pm trains can run DOO, but what about special events, etc.
> like NYE when we run trains 24/7 with full peak-time loadings all night?
> Can't do that DOO! At least not with any degree of passenger and crew
safety
> that's acceptable.
>
> Regards,
>
> Craig.
>
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