Re: C.Dewick has a dummy spit! (was: do NOT, EVER, post messages containing HTML (was: "City Rail Security Guards"))

["WhaleOilBeefHooked" <daproc@sd5.mailbank.com>]

Hi Craig - you are only the second one to take the bait (I was trolling).

DaveP

C. Dewick wrote in message <7o03a3$pft$1@lios.apana.org.au>...
>In <Ki6o3.11$FP6.292883@news0.optus.net.au> "WhaleOilBeefHooked"
<daproc@spambait.umpires.com> writes:
>
>>First of all, let me say that I do not post in HTML. I occasionally reply
in
>>HTML, but only when the original is in HTML.
>
>>C. Dewick wrote in message <7nqg9a$1tv$1@lios.apana.org.au>...
>
>>>And the second half of it was a repeat of the first half, but in damn
HTML!
>>>grrrr.. It's about time I reminded everyone about *NOT* posting messages
>>>with HTML content in newsgroups...
>
>>And who appointed you guardian of this newsgroup?
>
>Since I was one of the original people who proposed and managed the
creation
>of this newsgroup about 7 years ago, I'd say that I'm entitled to at least
>voice an opinion which many other people in many newsgroups (including this
>one) have about HTML postings in text-based newsgroups. It's not quite as
>bad as posting binary image files to this group, but about half-way along
>the annoyance scale.
>
>>>Most of us don't look kindly on people who post messages to this
newsgroup
>>>when the whole message is *repeated at the end* in bloody HTML! Do NOT
EVER
>>>post news articles containing copies of the text in HTML please.
>
>>Gonna make us?
>
>Of course I can't make you.. silly. But common-sense would tell you that
>posting HTML in a text-based medium is not going to make you a very
>well-regarded person in that medium.
>
>>>It makes messages twice as large, harder to read, and very annoying to
the
>>>majority of people who read news using text-based newsreaders. HTML makes
>>>normal text impossible to read...
>
>>So they should update. This is 1999 after all, and there are plenty of
>>newsreaders, available for free, which can read HTML. Why should some
>>posters be restricted from using the full capabilities available to them
>>purely and simply because some people prefer programs which are less
>>capable.
>
>Very true, but news is a text-based medium, and that's one of the reasons
>that newsgroups are the second-most popular type of service on the internet
>after email.
>
>>>If you want to post to newsgroups, which are a *text-based* medium, do
>>*NOT*
>
>>It is only a "test-based medium" because Usenet evolved at a time when
that
>>was the norm. At the time, the whole of the internet was text-based. The
web
>>evolved into a graphical medium, there is no reason why Usenet cannot
evolve
>>into one as well (well, there is a reason, the pigheadedness of some of
its
>>users).
>
>8-) You're right with your first comment, and I've never tried to say
you're
>not. But, news itself is so universally accessible because of the
test-based
>nature. Also, HTML and images consume *enormous* ammounts of storage space,
>bandwidth, etc. and that is another advantage for pure text-based news -
>none of that resource hogging exists.
>
>>>post messages containing copies of the actual text appended at the end in
>>>HTML. Most of us will ignore any HTML content.
>
>>So ignore it, and stop subjecting us to your tirades.
>
>I've only mentioned it once, so it's hardly a tirade.
>
>>>Related to this, either configure your software properly so it doesn't
>>>include HTML in news articles, or get different software which works
>>>properly and doesn't irritate us with stuff we can't read outside of a
>>>web-browser's news reading window.
>
>>Why not get a newsreader that can handle HTML?
>
>Wht should I? The most popular news program - NN - is text-based. PINE, the
>most-popular application that integrates email and news access into one is
>also primarily text-based. And the important thing about those two
>applications is that they are *not* bloatware, unlike web browsers which
>have news facilities tacked on as an afterthought.
>
>Most people who read news don't want to see HTML - I'm sure if you did a
>survey in most newsgroups (apart from the alt.binaries.* groups, etc.)
you'd
>find a large majority would object to HTML and binary postings.
>
>There is no reason why messages should contain two version of the text -
one
>in plain text and a copy of the same in HTML - all in the one message!
>That's plain silly, and is a sign of software which is ill-designed,
>because regardless of which type of application displays it, either the
HTML
>version or the text version is ignored, and that's wasting resources.
>
>Just something to consider.. Common-sense really.
>
>Regards,
>
>Craig.
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