Re: Carr road rescue derails train lin

[greg rudd <grudd@mail.usyd.edu.au>]

Mark & Roz Creely wrote:

> Greg,
>
> I can, to a certain degree see the point you are trying to make, but duplicating the
> rail line to Richmond is not the only solution.
>

I was trying to make the point that dollar for dollar a properly thought out and
constructed rail link is better value for money than a road link.

> As a person who regularly uses that abomination that is called Windsor rd , I can
> assure you Mr Carrs statement is long overdue.

If you think that Windsor is bad you should drive along Cowpasture Rd from Elizabeth DR
to Camden Valley Way,  shocking is the best way to describe it with a two lane road that
is full of holes in a area of large scale housing development. And with the new Western
Sydney Orbital being built a  private toll way the funds managers are not going too be
happy with this stretch being upgraded to 4 lanes  as it will be competition to the toll
way.   While I understand that it will improve traffic conditions and safety which can't
be a bad thing.  But at the end of the day it will enable more traffic to be channeled on
to the M2.  As it will improve travel times to the M2 intersection thus increasing its
attraction to motorists, and reducing road traveling time from Kellyville to the city. I
wonder if any of the RTA traffic modeling for the widening of Windsor Rd have taken
account of this scenario

>
>
> Not everyone can use public transport, shiftworkers etc. So rail and bus is not the
> only answer.  I do believe there should be  a rail link to the many housing
> developments that are ocurring in that area, but as Windsor Rd is a major arterial
> road it should be 4 lanes(which will be obsolete by the time it's built).

True.  But we should be demanding suitable development ala the satellite city approach to
planning where a person does not have to travel large distances to work wheter it by
public or private transport.

>
>
> On top of this 1999 - 2000, 12 people lost their lives on this stretch of road ,if
> that happened on rail there would be a public outcry.
>
> Hopefully if NSW and Vic. get their way and get the extra 1 billion dollars of GST
> revenue the federal go sees fit to give to the other states(despite what was
> promised), then we might see all these improvements happen and a real transport
> strategy developed.
>

I wish I could share your optimism.

> Thats my 2 bobs worth
>
> regards
>
> Mark
>
> Greg Rudd wrote:
>
> > kingpin1@ozemail.com.au wrote:
> >
> > > 'Twas a dark and stormy night on Mon, 26 Mar 2001 10:15:29 +1000 as David
> > > Bromage <dbromage@fang.omni.com.au> took time out from the neverending quest to
> > > rid the world of grues and wrote:
> > >
> > > > The Carr Government's big fix for Sydney's rail system is all but
> > > > abandoned, with no money or timetable to build the vaunted
> > > > Parramatta-Chatswood link. Instead, the Premier has promised to replace
> > > > by 2006 the overcrowded Windsor Road with a four-lane highway "all the
> > > > way to Windsor", at a cost of $323 million.
> > >
> > > Very predictable.
> >
> > Hi all
> >
> > I wonder has any one caught on that with the additonal two lanes and new alignment
> > on Windsor Rd will probably have the effect of channeling more traffic onto the M2
> > tollway which will no doubt please everyone in 2WS land and also the share holders
> > in the tollway which after all belong to the electorate that really matters i.e the
> > financial markets. With the net effect of this short-term decision is that more
> > people will drive instead of using public transport, increased C02 emmisions and
> > increased traffic gridlock around the Lane Cove area.  While the rail link would be
> > competition to the tollway. For the $323m spent on the Richmond-Blacktown railway
> > would probably buy you a dual track line all the way to Richmond. and may be a
> > branchline to Kellyville.
> >
> > Any other thoughts on this?
> >
> > -greg