Re: [NSW]CCTV Spying on staff

["Bifa" <sweetpea@poboxes.com>]

Morning Ray

Sorry but when you signed "Rod Gayford (also workplace delegate)" I
incorrectly assumed you meant within State Rail.  I apologise for any slur
that may have implied.

The matters you raise are quite legitimate but again I would suggest that
crossing a track without a vest is a breach of safety not a breach of
discipline.

I cannot recall the specifics for SRA in particular but I seem to recall
that there is extensive regulation or legislation covering the operation of
systems such as SRA's station mounted CCTV system.  I thinks these regs or
legislation may have included training and/or certification of operators of
these sorts of systems and if they don't then they certainly should.

>  I have my doubts about the neccesity of the system as it appears to
> be an expensive knee jerk reaction to imaginary crime beaten up by the
> gutter tabloid press.  They only keep pushing what crime exists away out
of
> the line of sight of the camera's.

Try looking like you might have $5 in your pocket and standing still by
yourself for five minutes at Central in the Main Concourse or out at the
tram stop after about 8 PM any night.  Unless you look like a rugby player,
someone will ask you for money.  SRA should make it safe and unthreatening
for you to be in their stations.  If the cameras move that threat or crime
somewhere else then more people will feel safe on the stations and maybe
more people will use the trains.

It is unsafe out there and personnaly, I like the idea that there is someone
being paid to look after my well being by monitoring my safety at stations.

BIFA



"Rjaygee" <dartmouthmotel@bigpond.com> wrote in message
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> Got nothing to do with State Rail or any other rail organisation.  Having
> thought about the incident in question I am even more concerned.  I would
> like to know who is actually monitoring the camera's and what is the
> statement of duties for their role.  If they are using the camera's to
> report staff breaches of discipline then the role of the CCTV system is
> being trivialised and could lead to vandalism of the camera's by pissed
off
> staff. This could lead to a very serious life threatening incident being
> missed.  I have my doubts about the neccesity of the system as it appears
to
> be an expensive knee jerk reaction to imaginary crime beaten up by the
> gutter tabloid press.  They only keep pushing what crime exists away out
of
> the line of sight of the camera's.  This leads for calls for more camera's
> such as was the case in George and we end up with a facist Orwellian
> society,  By the way, the authorities do not appear to have any problems
> mounting fare evasion campaigns, we not the same where crime may be a
> problem in specific areas.
> Cheers
> Rod Gayford
>
> "Bifa" <sweetpea@poboxes.com> wrote in message
> yAPz6.9990$Xi1.76656@news-server.bigpond.net.au">news:yAPz6.9990$Xi1.76656@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> > Rod,
> >
> > I also would hate to have anything to do with industrial relations in
SRA.
> > But the Subject of this thread is "Spying on staff" and this incident is
> is
> > obviously NOT covert or secret and is therefore not spying regardless of
> any
> > industrial agreement.  What was 'private' about this driver crossing a
> > track?  How exactly was their privacy invaded?
> >
> > If it is a matter of a breach of an IR agreement then call it that.
Don't
> > inflame it by using such terms as "Spying" and "Invasion of Privacy"
> >
> > As for pulling funding from 3801, that would not affect me in the
> slightest.
> >
> > All you can do to me is have the trains delayed, or not stop at the
> > scheduled stations or not run at all and then I would be inconvenienced.
> >
> > Oh dear, I forgot, you do that to me all the time now.
> >
> > Bifa
> >
> >
> > "Rjaygee" <dartmouthmotel@bigpond.com> wrote in message
> > GENz6.11276$45.64554@newsfeeds.bigpond.com">news:GENz6.11276$45.64554@newsfeeds.bigpond.com...
> > > I would hate to have some of you guys in charge of industrial
relations,
> > you
> > > would have the staff out in no time. If the staff have agreed to
cameras
> > > being installed under certain conditions and that agreement is abused
> then
> > > any contra use of the camera's is an invasion of privacy.  In the case
> of
> > > the non vested train driver how do we know he has been accurately
> > > identified.  Frankly this is just some little Hitler sucking up
> > managements
> > > arse who dobbed him in.  I hope the union takes this issue as far as
it
> > can.
> > > If thats Lillico's attitude to workers then the State Labor government
> > > should pull all funding from 3801.
> > > Cheers
> > > Rod Gayford (also workplace delegate)
> > >
> > > "Tezza" <tezza2000@dingoblue.net.au> wrote in message
> > > 3acf2f1a$0$25508$7f31c96c@news01.syd.optusnet.com.au">news:3acf2f1a$0$25508$7f31c96c@news01.syd.optusnet.com.au...
> > > > "Bifa" <sweetpea@poboxes.com> wrote in message
> > > > p_Ez6.9512$Xi1.72261@news-server.bigpond.net.au">news:p_Ez6.9512$Xi1.72261@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> > > > | Spying, by definition, is the keeping of a SECRET watch.
> > > > |
> > > > | Every SRA cctv camera is in a well known location and any SRA
> employee
> > > who
> > > > | doesn't know they are there and where they are is obviously too
> stupid
> > > to
> > > > be
> > > > | in charge of a train.
> > > > |
> > > > | It is not covert.  It is not secret.  It is not an invasion of
> > privacy.
> > > > And
> > > > | it is not spying.  The CCTV cameras are there for Safety and
> security.
> > > > This
> > > > | was obviously an unsafe action by the driver.
> > > > |
> > > > | It is intersting that no-one in this thread seems to be concerned
> > about
> > > > the
> > > > | safety implications of the driver not working within the safety
> rules.
> > > >
> > > > The ridiculous super vests have not reduced the number of Drivers
> > injured
> > > or
> > > > killed by trains - it's hard to reduce something that's already at
> zero.
> > > The
> > > > morons meanwhile actually got killed in greater numbers after the
> > > > introduction of the super vest.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
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