Re: [NSW] - SMH reporting on Cityrail 15/9/2000

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In article <39c5bcb5$1$26546$7f31c96c@news01.syd.optusnet.com.au>,
  "Tezza" <tezza2000@dingoblue.net.au> wrote:
>
> <antstig@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:8q3sp6
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> >   "Tezza" <tezza2000@dingoblue.net.au> wrote:
> > > <antstig@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:8q2d3g$b57
> > Sorry Tezza, I
> > disagree. All SPADs are serious because as I've already
> > > > pointed out the sudden jolt as the train is tripped could injure
> > > > someone old or disabled or even someone not expecting it.
> > >
> > > No different to using emergency at any other time.
> >
> > Yes it is. When passing a signal at danger "under rule" the driver
> > warns passengers that there is going to be a sharp jolt.
>
> Maybe in Pommie land, not here.

Interesting the different procedures in different countries.
>
> > > > "Applying the Rule" as signals at danger is only carried out in
the
> > > > event of signal failure or when it is imperative to get a
train's
> > nose into a platform in order to detrain platforms during major
delays.
> > It is also used by trains assisting defective trains.
> > >
> > > You want to try re-writing this to make more sense please?
> >
> > Applying the rule means a set of procedures to be followed after
> > passing a signal at danger whether deliberately or accidentally.
>
> That still didn't explain most of the paragraph. How do you detrain a
> platform?

Sorry, I meant detraining trains! Interesting concept though. I suppose
you could say when passengers are boarding that they are being
"deplatformed".

> > > Once the signal has been passed, procedure is fairly irrelevant.
Once
> > the signal has been passed, not following procedure will usually
just keep
> > > things moving, as most SPADS are not serious, which is why
procedure
> > is often ignored and the SPAD is not reported.
> >
> > Are you really serious?
>
> Yes.

I've seen Signal Spotter's explanation since then although what you say
would be tolerated in the UK. A signal engineer told me that in the NY
subway trains follow each other using the train ahead's taillights as a
guide. Anyone can confirm this?

> > I don't think that is very safe. Are you
> > telling me that the driver once he's passed a signal at danger just
> > merrilly drives along irrespective that there might be a train
ahead,
> > or some other obstruction etc.
>
> No, he'll get onto the signaller. Depending on what mood the
signaller is in
> and what has happened, he may or may not report it. If the signaller
doesn't
> report it, he'll tell the Driver when he's right to go. Happens all
the
> time.
>
> > You're having me on. It's certainly not what I've read in the SPAD
> > journal, the name of which I can't remember.
>
> Completely serious. "SPAD journal"? I think someone's taking it too
> seriously.

Maybe yes but I think it is better to take it too seriously then risk
an one in a million accident.

Regards

Frank


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