Re: Independent Review of Rail Safety Arrangements in Australia

[keithm@commslab.gov.au (Dave Malcolm)]

In article <xdCb4.2859$FY3.4191@ozemail.com.au> "John Kerley" <deaftech@ozemail.com.au> writes:
>From: "John Kerley" <deaftech@ozemail.com.au>
>Subject: Re: Independent Review of Rail Safety Arrangements in Australia
>Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2000 15:16:35 +1100


>Ronald BESDANSKY <ronbest@bigpond.com> wrote in message
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>> John Kerley <deaftech@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
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>> > Dave Proctor <thadocta@spambait.dingoblue.net.au> wrote in message
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>> > > John Kerley wrote in message <8Jeb4.1199$FY3.2281@ozemail.com.au>...
>> > > >
>> > > >Exnarc <gwrly@netspace.net.au> wrote in message
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>> > > >>
>> > > >> <snip>
>> > > >> Every System required someone to protect in the rear during
>failures,
>> > not
>> > > >> just TS&T. When 2 man crewing was introduced the rules were changed
>> to
>> > > >make
>> > > >> provision for this, DOO is just an extension of that.
>> > > >
>> > > >Not exactly.   When travelling on train staff i.e. not on ticket, or
>on
>> > > >electric staff on a single line, rear end protection was not
>required.
>> > >
>> > > You sure about that? What about warning the loco sent to recover the
>> train
>> > > (if it came from behind) that it was approaching the failed train?
>> > >
>> > > Dave
>> > >
>> > >
>> > This rule applied to the initial stoppage.
>> >
>> > However if relief needed and the staff taken away from the train, then
>> > protection was required.
>> >
>> I thought this was covered by the driver (or someone) issuing an authority
>> to the driver of the relief engine to enter the occupied section to assist
>a
>> train stopped at mileage xx.y and that the failed train would not be moved
>> until arrival of the relief engine.
>> Rgds
>> Ron BESDANSKY
>>
>I was talking Victorian rules in the days of fully staffed trains, which I
>understand may have varied from other states and certainly are different
>from today's rules.   I was  also only refering to the situation where the
>train was in possession of the staff. Relief orders of the the type you
>refer to were used in other situations, and could well be the norm now for
>all situations with the staff being secured with the driver and not sent
>away.

These days in NSW, before a SAO can be issued for a relief engine to be sent 
to a disabled train one of the assurances thetrain controler must have is the 
staff is secured by the driver of the disabled  train.

Dave Malcolm

>Cheers,

>John Kerley