---------- In article <380A94F5.F1DC9FED@nmit.vic.edu.au>, david <david@nmit.vic.edu.au> wrote: Only from the inside!! Went up on the day train with the R on saturday and came home thru Seymour with the D3. Good run, we went down Heathcote at the max allowable speed, which was 95 kph for this train. Stuart Thyer