Re: DOO In Sydney?

[Don Allitt <nahgfa@zeta.org.au>]

What about statistic's how many accident's per train in say Vic as compared to per train in
Syd. Come up with some actual figures and then you have a debate that should close this
thread.
Don.

Matthew Geier wrote:

> In article <7t5v4l$fnd$1@lios.apana.org.au>,
> C. Dewick <craigd@lios.apana.org.au> wrote:
> >In <7smb0m$7mo$1@metro.ucc.usyd.edu.au> matthew@mail.usyd.edu.au (Matthew Geier) writes:
> >
> >This still does not address the curved platform issue, or the fact that
> >because we run 8 car trains here, the driver cannot just use one camera to
> >view the whole platform, even on straight platforms in some situations.
>
>  Neither can their in Melbourne.... But such platforms are small in
> number. Wollstencraft already has camera for the guard as the guard cant
> see along the train either. Its a minior problem.
>
> >How can the driver *reliably* view multiple camera inputs on a single
> >screen at the same time unless the screen is platform-mounted and large
>
> Tile the image or switch every 2 seconds. At the worst station, you
> might need 3 images. So you wait for all 3 to cycle past after closing
> the doors and pulling away. Besides if some one grabs a door and tries
> to hold it open the new traction interlock will stop you departing anyway,
> and the door open alarm would alert you to watch the screen and see who did
> it.
>
>  The fact is very few stations are that bad, and platform mounted monitors
> on those few could assist.
>
> >Perth trains are very short (no longer than 4 cars), so there's a
> >fundamental problem saying that what Perth does can be directly translated
> >to Sydney and it'll work like a charm.
>
>  Rubbish. Every one likes to think 'cause we run 8 car DD trains, DOO is
> impossible. Look at Melbourne, 6 car trains with 3 doors per car. Their
> drivers have MORE doors to look out for, and they by and large all they
> got to assist them are rear vision mirrors. The cameras and monitors are
> only used on the curved problem stations. I would say the double deck part
> is not in the equation, its the number of doorways!
>
> >The fundamental issues are still being ignored by everyone as though they
> >don't exist. 8-)
> >
>
>  Sorry, I dont see the fact that we run 8 car DD trains as any thing that
> prevents DOO.  You could argue that Sydney communters a terminaly stupid,
> but not that double deck 8 car trains make it impossible.