Re: [UK] Ironic

["chris 'fufas' grace" <chris@transdata.co.nz>]

David Bennetts wrote:
> 
> "Daniel Bowen" <dbowen@custard.REMOVE.net.au> wrote in message
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> > "chris 'fufas' grace" <chris@transdata.co.nz> wrote in message
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> > > Even more ironic were also involved in the Ladbroke Grove collision
> > > and fire a few years back.
> >
> > Sorry, was there a word missing here? This doesn't make sense to me.

The word missing was Coach. My English source says that there were
three of them.

> >
> > Note that yesterday's crash was an East coast main line service to Kings
> > Cross; Ladbroke Grove was just outside Paddington in West London -
> > completely different parts of the network.

So what? I'm well aware of the railway geography of Great Britain.

Coaches are not owned by the Train Operating Companies, but by leasing
companies. There's nothing to stop vehicles being switched around
between operators.  Before privatisation it was very common, as
coaches were allocated to a business sector rather than individual
lines.


> Doesn't make sense to me either - Ladbroke Grove (nr Paddington) involved an
> Intercity 125 (diesel locos both ends of the train, the trains on which our
> XPT is based).   Hatfield and Selby involved Intercity 225 trains, which
> have an electric loco at one end of the train and a driving/luggage van at
> the other.   

The coaches are interchangeable. I don't know whether the HST and the
IC225 coaches have identical wiring, but I suspect that they do.
Although the trains operate in sets, they are not multiple units in
the sense that the sets are fixed formations for any engineering
reason.
At one time there was a difference between HST trailers and ordinary
hauled stock - something to do with control lines and heating systems,
I believe. I'm not near a reference source, but I'm pretty sure that
the Driving Van Trailers on the ECML are actually converted HST
vehicles and thus that the IC225 and HSTs have the same inter set
wiring.

The former involved the First Great Western train, the latter a
> Great North Eastern train.  Intercity 125 has a service speed of 125 miles
> per hour, Intercity 225 a speed of 225 kilometres per hour.

That's not a substantial difference, only about 15mph, and has nothing
to do with the point anyway.
> 
> Regards
> 
> David Bennetts


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