Re: Yarra Trams Article in Sunday Age

[Railvic <railvic@primus.com.au>]

Vaughan Williams wrote:
> 
> > Vaughan, so "you've allowed a reasonable time to buy a ticket (5
> > minutes, perhaps) then I don't think its reasonable to expect you to
> > miss your train ..."  Does this apply to supermarket checkouts which
> you
> > can easily queue for 5 minutes on busy days (such as Friday nights and
> > Saturdays lunchtimes), then you can just walk out the store ** without
> > ** paying for your goods because "you've allowed a reasonable time to
> > buy your grocery"?
> 
> Interesting question. Its been a while since I did any coursework on
> property offences, but I'll have a crack at it
> 
> If your taking the groceries off the shelves and putting them in your
> trolley constitutes "appropriating" the goods, and at the time you do
> so you intend to pay for them, but later change your mind (upon seeing
> the checkout queue) and leave without paying (assuming you can get
> out), then I don't think you can be done for theft.
> 
> This is certainly the case at petrol stations. If you intend to pay at
> the time you put the petrol in, and subsequently you either realise you
> can't or decide not to (like if theres a long queue), then there is no
> criminal liability, only a civil debt.
> 
> Anyone who did Crim more recently care to correct this?
> 
> VW
> 
>   I think not!  So why should public transport users
> > be any different to shoppers?  Let me put it another way, if you have
> > waited for 5 mintues and the shop assistant  still hasn't serve you
> and
> > your train is coming, will you simply walk out the shop with the goods
> > because you "don't think its reasonable to expect you to miss your
> > train"??
> 
> You probably could, as a matter of law... whether anyone would is
> another story.

So Vaughan are you trying to tell us that you will not simply walk out
the shop with the goods because you "don't think it's reasonable to
expect you to miss your train"??