You can do that on a Barge, regardless of speed or driver! :) -- Eric www.erk.au.com erk@erkV69.au.com (Remove the V69 to reply) Paul Jones wrote in message ... |I've always wondered about this. It's also a reason i try to get a seat at |the rear of V sets, because sometimes with the right driver you can get a |roller coster ride, especially over points. | |-- |----------