Re: Images of 4908's new livery.

[david <david@nmit.vic.edu.au>]

James, it's like seeing  the Seymour B class ( number slips me at the moment )
and the rest of the B's currently running around. The Seymour B  when I last
saw it was a great VR blue, not faded but a good example. Then you look at the
in service varients - faded or in new colurs. Finally you see some of the
remaining B's in VR ( a few years ago ) - and they  were faded, rusted
weathered. Comparing them ot Seymour  shows the blue  shines and does stand
out in the sea of new colours of the commercial operators.

Like you I would think a restored tuscan 49, in new glossy paint would stand
out as well.
( which is my point I think)
Regards,
David Head

James Brook wrote:

> Roy Marshall wrote:
> >
> > You would have to be looking very hard to see the 3801 Limited logo on
> > 4401, and it will be the same on 4908.While the 38's need to be in
> > heritage colours why should that apply to all diesels in service? Look
> > at all of the other private operators around the place now like LVR
> > Freight, Great Northern, ATN etc etc. And as for Steamrail's S313 livery
> > I seem to recall that it was a"Santa Fe" style - very historical in an
> > Australian context! There are two other 49's running around in NSW at
> > present and these are in "candy" colours. 3801 is a tourist operation as
> > well as a heritage operator and a smart set of carriages with matching
> > loco helps to bring in money to keep the 38's in service!
>
> An operator that calls themselves a "heritage operator" should operate
> their locos and rolling stock in a condition that is representative of
> their appearence when they were with a commercial operator earlier in
> their existance. When a group does something like this, then I don't see
> how the term "heritage operator" applies because they are no longer
> offering a heritage experience except for the fact their rolling stock
> is old and second hand. If this is a heritage operator, then West Coast
> Railway is a heritage operator because all their locos and rolling stock
> date back to the 50's or earlier. Really, if 3801 Ltd painted 4908 and
> the carriages in the proper NSWGR tuscan livery it would still look very
> nice and I think it would appeal to more people as it is a true heritage
> experience, not just a theme park style fantasy.
>
> Even with historical aspects aside, I think the livery on 4908 is
> hideous! It would look much better if they didn't have a diamond shape
> on the front, I think if it dropped down in a V shape (similar to the
> GNR livery on the short hood of the 3rd series T's) then it would look a
> bit better. I also think they have gone overboard with the fancy lining
> on the carriages and the solid yellow stripe just doesn't fit in with
> the thin lining on the other panels. What is wrong with just having a
> stripe below and above the window line?
>
> Also, is this livery going to be applied to the entire 3801 Ltd fleet of
> carriages. If this is the case, then having 3801 or 3830 in a heritage
> livery won't really matter because the train will be in the 3801 Ltd
> livery.
>
> As for 4401, I don't mind this loco as much because it is only an
> alteration of the original livery. 4908 is a totally different livery
> except for the basic colors, and it looks nothing like a 49 in NSWGR
> service. This is what I really object to. GNR, ATN, ASR, FA, V/Line
> Pass, etc... are all purely commercial operators so there is really no
> comparison apart from the fact that so called heritage operators are
> becoming more like the commercial operators every day.
>
> --
> - James Brook -
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