Re: Norway Prang

[wsharris@ozemail.com.au (Bill)]

On Fri, 7 Jan 2000 13:05:26 +1100, "nobody"
<dweebken@NOSPAM.yahoo.com> wrote:

>I'm surprised there is no comment on this posting even though it's
>Norweigan.
>Considering the poor record of Aussie signalling recently I would have
>thought there would have been some comparisons?
>
>Brendan
>
Interesting to note that there is a lot of concern about how the train
controllers could not contact the drivers concerned   prior to the
accident as they where relient on mobile phones for communication on
that route....something that is a concern to Nr drivers here in nsw
where nr want to move to driver only with mobile phones as the primary
means of doo communication... as the aware system (there radio )
is not able to patch into the sat link on tha freight net radio to be
able to talk to the tc and where the terestrial link is provided there
is only a 80 % success rate     (nr sorces) ...
Bill


>"Notagunzel" <notagunzel@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
>aRXc4.65$aq3.1352@nsw.nnrp.telstra.net">news:aRXc4.65$aq3.1352@nsw.nnrp.telstra.net...
>> Listen here children, knowing aus.rail has nothing at all to do with
>Norway,
>> I thought all the self appointed armchair experts out there could wrap
>your
>> brain some Gen I've dug up on the Norway Prang:-
>>
>> The info is from several sources:
>> English language content on the NSB website -
>> http://www.nsb.no/persont/index_en.html
>> Erik's Rail News - http://eriksrailnews.com
>> BBC News - http://news.bbc.co.uk/
>> Danger Ahead - http://danger-ahead.railfan.net/
>> Excite News - http://news.excite.com
>> Newsgroup "uk.railway" - news:uk.railway
>>
>> The trains involved were:
>> *- Train No. 2302, 07.45 Trondheim - Hamar via Røros, Loco Di3 625 and two
>> B3 + BF11 carriages;
>> *- Train No. 2369, 12.30 Hamar - Rena, DMU No. BM 9214.
>>
>> This is AFAIK the geography involved, but it's from multiple sources and
>may
>> not be right:
>>
>> North < Trondheim -(??km)- Rena -(10ish km)- Åsta -(8 km)- Rustad -(12km)-
>> Elverum -(??km)- Hamar - Oslo > South
>>
>> The 2 trains collided immediately south of Åsta ("160 km north of Oslo")
>> station.  No indication of whether Åsta is a crossing station or not.
>>
>> The trains would normally pass each other at Rustad station at 13.10.
>>
>> Both trains were manned by one driver and an on-board conductor.
>>
>> The DMU was built in 1985, the carriages in the 1960's, and the loco, Di3
>> 625 was built in 1965 & is a "1950's model"  AFAIK this is one of the
>famous
>> European GM's.
>>
>> The safeworking system is a little hard to comprehend.  The NSB website
>> describes the "Safety Plant" separately to the "CTC (Centralised Traffic
>> Control)"  Suffice to say, the "Safety Plant" prevents a proceed aspect
>> being displayed on the departure signals at the same time, and ensures
>only
>> one train at a time is in the section at a time. Eriks Rail News reports
>> that "The line has an unusual blocking system using magnets at the end of
>> the trains. Detectors in the track thus tell the traffic controller when
>the
>> train has arrived at or left a station."  A poster to uk.railway said:
>"I'm
>> not sure what the equivalent is in Railtrack terms, but I think it's a
>> remotely controlled interlocking with track circuits only at the passing
>> loop area and not between. I don't know if it was a SPAD or a failure of
>the
>> remote control system."
>>
>> Can't tell whether the CTC sounds is just like most CTC systems around the
>> world, just a remote control system, in this case from the "Hamar train
>> operations control center", or whether it involves vital control.  This
>> business of "magnets" & no track circuits has me confused.
>>
>> The section of line "Røros Line" where the prang occurred is one of only a
>> few (NSB website) or only (Danger Ahead) section in Norway NOT fitted with
>> ATC, (aka ATP) but is planned to be installed "next year" (NSB) or "in the
>> summer" (Excite News) at a cost of between 10 to 15 million Norwegian
>> kroner.
>>
>> Both trains were fully ATC equipped.
>>
>> The accident was the most serious on the Norwegian train system since
>1975,
>> when 27 people were killed in a crash in the same part of the country.
>>
>> The media has made much mileage over the fact that apparently the train
>> controllers observed the trains heading towards each other, but couldn't
>> find the correct mobile phone number to contact the trains.
>>
>> --
>> Mr Notagunzel.
>> Rail Transportation Connoisseur
>> notagunzel@bigfoot.com
>> (Regrets to announce there will be no further moves at
>> http://www.geocities.com/nota_gunzel
>> until further notice is issued from this office)
>>
>>
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