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Re: EE Locos



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Greetings
 
Perhaps now might be a good time to explain how the GM's were coupled to the EE and Mitsubishi locos for MU operation.
 
In 1979 the then NZR purchased 20 General Motors GL22MC type locomotives.  They were classed DF with road numbers 1651-1670.  The first 10 went to the North Island and the second 10 to the South.  They were delivered from GM in Canada fitted with twin jumper sockets at each end of the loco, the first being the standard jumper for use with the other GM (Da, Db, Dc and Dbr classes) and GE (Dx class) locos of the day.  The second socket was for MU operation with the English Electric Dg and Di class and the Mitsubishi Dj class of which both were found solely in the South Island.  There were 5 Di, 62 Dj and 38 Dg class in service at the time.
It was just a matter of plugging in the correct jumper in the correct socket and away you went. 
There was a problem with the air supply as the EE/Mitsi locos were 4 pipe (BP, MR, EP and ER) and the GMs were 3 pipe (BP, MR and EP).  The Df were fitted with 4 pipes on the headstock.  When coupling to another 3 pipe then the MU2A had to be set to trail 3 pipe and when coupled to a 4 pipe then it was set to trail 4 pipe.  Every thing else was set up as normal.
Dj and Di class were fitted with 26L brakes but the Dg was fitted with 6SL brakes (the 10 rebuild Dg's were fitted with a  push button "push and pray" or "hit and hope" brake but don't know of the classification).
We got some of the second series Df class which were purchased in 1983 here in the south Island aswell.  these were not fitted for MU operation with EE/Mitsi locos and only had 3 pipe brake system. If the Dj class or the Toshiba electrics from Otira were towed they had a weird arrangement of coupling the BP-BP, MR-MR and EP-ER if I remember correctly.

I'm not entirely sure how it worked and I maybe wrong but I seem to remember that when N1 was selected in the Df then the Dg or Dj went straight to N2 (with the subsequent shove from behind!).  Somewhere along the lines another notch on the Dj/Dg was missed but I have no idea which one.  None of the books I have tell me which one it was.
 
I worked a number of trains with combinations of Df/Dj as a fireman and remember them as not being overly successfull. Unfortunately the Dg class had by 1985 been retired from service.
 
As far as I know these combinations were always Df leading with either one or two locos in trail.  I can't remember any times were there was a EE or Mitsi in the lead of a Df but it might have occasionally occured if it was indeed possible.  Presumably if the GM could control the EE then it would be possible in reverse. 
It was possible to MU other GM or GE locos with a Df and have the EE or Mitsi trailing the Df, which may have been trialed but as there were no other GM or GE's in the South Island and the Dg and Dj only ventured north on very rare occasions it is unlikely.
 
I don't recall ever hearing of a Df/Di combination (Di locos were captive in the Dunedin area for use on suburban passenger services and only ventured north to Christchurch for wheel lathe attention).
 
I have my old Loco Staff operating Instruction book here with all the brake diagrams etc so if anyone wants copies of this stuff let me know and I will either photocopy it and send it or scan it.
 
Cheers
 
John
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Palmano <steve719@gte.net>
To: Aus loco discussion mailing list <Ausloco@listbot.com>
Date: Wednesday, 15 December 1999 13:04
Subject: EE Locos
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All of the above assumes that compatibility of the basic engine power output control scheme is a necessary, but not sufficient condition for MU compatibility. Strictly speaking, even this is not true as arrangements for interworking amongst locos with fundamentally different control schemes have been devised. The coupling of 74 volt, 8 notch EMDs to 110 volt, 10 notch EEs in New Zealand has already been mentioned by John Regan in this thread, although I've never seen an explanation as to how it was achieved. I think, though, that this was a one-way system in that the specially equipped EMDs could control the EEs, but not the other way around. Another example is the BR Southern Region scheme that allowed bidrectional control between EMU 4 notch and diesel air throttle systems. In the USA, UP MU'd standard, 8 notch diesel electrics with gas turbines that had 20 notch controllers, whilst (I think) that SP MU'd air throttle Kraus-Maffei diesel hydraulics with standard diesel electrics, and Milwaukee controlled standard diesels from the multinotch "Little Joe" electrics. And of course, in Australia, QR had leading EMDs controlling mid-train air throttle EEs via Locotrol wagons. With the exception of the BR system, I've never seen technical descriptions of any of the above in railfan-accessible publications, and even with the BR system, some aspects remain sketchy.

 

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