I fully agree with James the only reason to go on a fan trip is to take in the sites and sounds , not couped up in a fish bowl ,, Might as well take the Car James Brook <ajmbrook@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message 38525051.5B2462F6@ozemail.com.au">news:38525051.5B2462F6@ozemail.com.au... >