> On Mon, 27 Apr 1998 09:55:57 +1000, Tim Arnot
> <timarnot@fastlink.com.au> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >greg h wrote:
> >
> >> On Fri, 24 Apr 1998 17:46:46 +1000, Bob <gioia@fastlink.com.au> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >David Bennetts wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> For those interested in British steam railways, the next episode of
> >> >> 'Heartbeat' next Tuesday night has a storyline based around sabotage on the
> >> >> railway. The series is set in Yorkshire, and features the North Yorkshire
> >> >> Moors Railway, which is a well run preserved line.
> >> >>
> >> >> Enjoy watching it.
> >> >
> >> >The above is episode 10 or series seven and is titles "Playing with trains".
> >> >The review says "the police investigate thefts from a fur factory and
> >> >trespassers on a railway line". I suspect that loco 90775 a war department
> >> >2-10-0 will be seen as it has featured throughout series seven.
> >> >Cheers
> >> >Bob
> >> >
> >> With the tacky, tacky name of "Vera Lynn" ..... God, UK railway
> >> preservationists are pathetic (90775 and other WD locos were primarily
> >> goods/freight locos - only top link passenger steam locos were named,
> >> and usually in a group based on a naming convention).
> >
> >Not only a sweeping statement by wrong as well. The loco named Vera Lynn was
> >repatriated from Greece some years ago for a preservation scheme in the south of
> >England (Isfield, I think) and never actually ran in UK steam service.
> >
> >Your comment that "UK preservationsists are pathetic" is not supported by the
> >actievements of the UK Preservation movement. Yoiu give no reasons for your
> >insulting comments, just like an opportunity for a good slag off??
> >
> >What about "Evening Star"? Other named locomotives include some of the Green
> >Arrows, Black 5's, B1's and a number of other locomotive classes not considered
> >top link. Lots of 4-4-0's of scottish extraction were also named.
> >
> >BTW, if I remember correctly, Dame Vera Lynn herself named the locomotive, either
> >at Isfield or the North York Moors.
> >
> >Ciao
> >Tim
> >--
> >Timothy Arnot
> >
> >e-mail to timarnot@fastlink.com.au
> >
> >
> I cite the following instances
>
> - LNER 4472/BR 60103 Flying Scotsman having been through every shade
> of green livery that is possible (let's make up our mind - which one
> is it to be)
> - BR engines of GWR design origin being liveried in GWR colours when
> in actual fact they weren't built until the 1950s and never ever
> carried GWR livery
> - the current unimaginative trend a re-livering (is there such a
> word?) just about every restored steam loco in BR livery, irrespective
> of its origins
>
> I await the day when we see what appears to be a new Gresley A4 ....
> only to find it's an Aveling-Porter geared industrial 0-4-0 with
> fibreglass streamlining and plastic wheel covers to give the
> impression of a 4-6-2!
>
> In reference to names, I withdraw the description "top-link" - maybe
> that was a bit too definitive. But named locos were still primarily
> limited to those involved with "higher-level" type passengers services
> - even Evening Star spent it's latter days in charge of the Pines
> Express over the (former) Somerset & Dorset.
>
> In respect of naming, Black 5's (7 or 8 only out of a couple of
> hundred), some B1's (african animals, etc), some V2's (only 2 fell in
> this category -BR 60809 The Snapper The East Yorkshire Regiment The
> Duke of York's Own, and LNER 4471/ BR 60800 Green Arrow) were "token
> gesture" namings but still had passenger duties as their prime
> responsibility.
>
> WD 2-10-0's could hardly be classified in the same category as these
> locos (for justification of naming purposes), and didn't carry the
> name until after preservation.
>
> I meant no disrespect to the person or reason for naming this 2-10-0;
> it just seems to me that the UK preservation movement is made up of
> big boys playing with big train sets, sometimes with little regard to
> historical background or reasonable authenticity.
> Greg H
> Sydney Australia
> aka IRC nick steam3801
If only we had a quater of what they have in the UK as far as restored and preserved
locos. Here we are in this country struggling to keep what few engines that are
operable in a going condition and they just build a new A1 class pacific! We can't
even get the mess that remains of 3813 back into one piece and where in this country
can you go to on a weekend and see up to 10 engines in steam at one time? Railway
preservation in this counrty is still in the dark ages and never likley to get out of
it. Why don't we have a heritage lottery to assist preserved Railways? Because the
majority of Aussies don't have any interest in trains. In the UK surveys have shown
that up to one in five have a real interest in railways. Its no wonder that they get
all the money and volunteer support.
While on the subject of "liveries" I would suggest you look at several non authentic
liveries in our country such as 3016 (blue) 3026 (maroon) 5917 (green) and a brown or
maybe maroon R class . I say the poms are world leaders in steam railway preservation.
Bob