iyb <iyb@dingoblue.net.au> wrote in message 3a696351$0$15492$7f31c96c@news01.syd.optusnet.com.au">news:3a696351$0$15492$7f31c96c@news01.syd.optusnet.com.au... > why? Cause if they didn't then the poor driver would have had to run over him and been traumatised, there are only a couple of drivers I would wish that on... Sam