> > The 4D is numbered: 6000T-5000M-5002M-6002T > doh!!!!!!!!! Thats what I meant 5000M or 5002M. It was about 1100pm when I wrote the message and I was half asleep.(my pc's clock was stuffed up too by the way) I even checked the numbers on the list of melbourne sparks from your site to make sure. ben