Re: Comeng/Budd licences

["JMullier" <jmullier@idl.net.au>]

Goninans have their stainless steel rolled formed sections rolled at the
Lysaght Building Products plant in Victoria (now called BHP Building
Products). This included all of the fluted sections as well as the curved
roof/gondola sheeting as used on the Tangaras. From discussions with former
Comeng draftsmen who I worked with, later Comeng sections were also rolled
by Lysaghts.
The major differneces between Budd/Comeng & Pullman/Goninan stainless
carbodies is in the differences in welding methods & connection details of
the body structure. One of the visiable external differences is that Comeng
would crimp the 'nodes' of the fluting to seal the ends of the sheeting,
where as Goninans used node caps (pressed capping).

Regards
Jeff Mullier

Rod Gayford wrote in message <8b4d1i$9en$1@news.eisa.net.au>...
>All Stainless Steel cars built at Com Eng Granville up until the last V
sets
>and excepting the Goninan Suburban sets were built under the Budd Licence.
>Goninan had the Pullman Standard licence in Australia and they used a
>different shaped fluting, hence the different shaped fluting on these cars.
>Why the last V sets had the Goninan style fluting I am not sure about.  I
>understand all Comeng fluting was rolled on a very old rolling machine that
>had been used to roll the fluting on the original General Pershing Zephyrs.
>Perhaps it wore out and Comeng had to source its fluted steel elsewhere.
>Does anybody know who rolled the Goninan stainless steel. There was an
>article on the NSW Budd cars in the ARHS Bulletin a couple of years ago
that
>confirmed the story about the Budd fluting rolled by Comeng.  It is
>understood that ABB has retained the rolling machine as it has quite
>historical significance.  The Overland cars are just ordinary carbon steel
>cars with stainless steel fluting applied for atheistic reasons only.
>Southern Aurora/IP etc were all Budd.
>Cheers
>Rod Gayford
>