Re: [NSW]-Question about signal phones

["Tezza" <tezza2000@dingoblue.net.au>]

"Eddie Oliver" <eoliver@efs.mq.edu.au> wrote in message
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> With reference to the debate quoted below, and things that others have
> said, I suspect we may have a problem of defining what we're talking
> about. If it helps, I will withdraw and apologise (at least until we
> decide just what the terms of reference are!) for what I had written
> about statements being rubbish, in case I misunderstood the intended
> context!
>
> There seem to be several different possible contexts:
>
> 1: the actual safeworking rules.
> 2: formal signal design standards.
> 3: what generally happens in designs even though there are not formal
> requirements.
> 4: what drivers etc may be taught or believe.
>
> To help resolve this, may I ask Tezza to be more specific about what he
> was taught, and what he believes the associations are between signal
> types and phone placement? That way we will at least have some common
> ground for what we're talking about.


I have no idea if there's anything in writing now. I can't remember if we were
given anything in writing years ago, I had a big cleanout this year and tossed
out years and years of what I considered crap, but quite a few here may have
thought otherwise.

I stand to be corrected but I think the following is correct.

Automatic Signal - Phone on signal post
Accept Signal     - Phone on signal post
Home Signal -       Phone on seperate post.
Outer Home Signal - Phone on signal post.
Starting Signal - Phone on signal post.

I know there are exceptions to this (as there is with everything on the
railways), especially with signals which have been converted from one type to
another.

>
> Eddie
>
> Tezza wrote:
> >
> > <signal_spotter@my-deja.com> wrote in message
> > 91bdcs$eou$1@nnrp1.deja.com">news:91bdcs$eou$1@nnrp1.deja.com...
> > > Drivers,
> > >
> > > Is there a convention with signal phones that if it's mounted on the
> > > actual signal then that signal is 'permissive' (ie may be passed at
> > > stop under certain conditions, autos and accepts) and if it's mounted
> > > on a post beside the signal then that signal is 'absolute' (ie may not
> > > be passed at stop, homes and starters). There seems to be this
> > > unwritten rule which someone came up with years ago and we've seemed to
> > > follow but upon speaking to drivers about it, they're response
> > > was "That's news to me". So somewhere along the line it hasn't filtered
> > > through. Or has it?
> >
> > All signals can be passed at stop. The position of the phone does change
> > though as you point out, depending on the kind of signal. One of the first
> > things we learnt in Safeworking years ago was using the placement of the
phone
> > to help determine what kind of signal it was.