Gavin, Many thanks for all the dates you looked up and posted. You wouldn't happen to have a closure date for Kerang to Koondrook would you? I meant to put it in my first question. If you have a .pdf reader I can send you or anyone a copy of the "VR all time map" which is still a work in progress at the moment. Mark. Visit my train pic website at: http://home.earthlink.net/~markbau/