Re: B-TRIPLES, WHAT A JOKE ( I WISH) !

L & D (daisyw@ozemail.com.au)
Tue, 07 Apr 1998 23:38:15 +1000

Yeh try and drive even the dual carriage way of the Hume between 10 pm and 6 am in a
small car!! no point trying to stick to speed limits you will have a truck run up your
rear end and if you manage to get where you are going without being cutoff good luck to
you I don't have any need to do this anymore thank goodness. In the ranges south of
Murwillumbah I have used constantly I have never gone through them without seeing at
least one truck well over the double white lines I hope we never see B Triples on the
Pacific hwy. there again if a b triple runs up the Newell how long will it be just
guessing 50 to 60 metres how long is it going to take a car to pass if we looked at the
transport system as a whole when we straighten out bad ranges on the Pacific hwy and the
Hume Hwy and do the rail line at the same time we might not have any need for them any
way

TB wrote:

> x-no-archive: yes
>
> In our last episode <3528BCEE.A48C0C60@klever.net.au> on Mon, 06 Apr 1998
> 21:30:54 +1000, Eben Levy told aus.rail:
>
> >Having been to Melbourne on a B-double and know the work in loading and driving, it
> >will make the whole thing about three times the effort, I don't know about QLD but
> >in Melbourne, the cars are very ignorant to trucks, especially B-doubles, the cars
> >will try to come up on the inside and get abusive when they are forced onto the
> >gutter. I am wondering how they will cope with an extra trailer.
>
> <snip of related matter>
>
> Err, as far as I know, self-driving cars aren't on the market (yet)...
> PEOPLE drive cars; cars don't drive themselves. ;-)
>
> Nonetheless, I am glad you pointed this fact out, as these days most
> accidents involving heavy vehicles are in result of errors by passenger car
> drivers. It was the fault of a 4WD driver - turning in front of the truck
> - that caused the accident in the first (attempted) delivery of a Sydney
> Light Rail vehicle from Melbourne.
>
> Education of ALL drivers is the responsibility of the Federal Office of
> Road Safety (and State transport offices). I remember a while ago (should
> be permanent) a high-profile campaign to educate passenger car drivers of
> the requirements heavy vehicle drivers need to drive safely. But we all
> know what the success rate is of education of the general public.
>
> >So, in my opinion, they should not increase trucks size to carry the loads without
> >actually campaigning to educate drivers or even better, use rail transport and
> >upgrade the railways and not let contractors do it.
>
> >The roads in Sydney, Melbourne
> >and Brisbane aren't suitable to anything bigger then a B-double.
>
> Tests at the Mt Cotton Driving Centre have demonstrated that the B-Triples
> have been working very well, handling like a B-Double... only the B-Triple
> requires a more of a wide approach for a 90 degree (intersection) turn, and
> reversing is somewhat trickier (training will fix this). The B-Triples had
> excellent stability, and there was only minor inclination of the rear
> trailer to swerve or weave during evasive manoeuvring. Too much can make
> the unit roll, so the B-Triple felt as if it was less prone to this.
>
> Of course, the testing of the B-Triples is extensive, and I'm sure all
> matters will be fixed. When articulated passenger buses were introduced
> onto Australian roads, it wasn't until after they were fully in service for
> some time that they found that during certain turns, the turn was too wide
> for regulation. This was quickly fixed with modification(s) to the units.
>
> "Misconception" is the biggest problem in all this.