Re: [VIC? NSW?] An idea of mine - express trams

["Hubert Lam" <hubert@imap4.com>]

STA should start using double deckers. Instantly double capacity per bus.

Need to get a few tree snippers though and also to raise the minimum height
to 4.7m


"Brendan" <nadnerb_2000@nospam.start.com.au> wrote in message
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> Its not a bad idea, but all the pointwork and signalling involved would be
> quite forbidding.
>
> I've seen a single line off road light rail system in Japan move huge
> numbers of people with strategic timetabling, however this would not work
on
> streets (little problem of traffic chaos).
>
> Another way would be to make the long distance tram to stop all stops -
when
> it catches up an inner city tram, passengers could transfer to it, and it
> could become the inner city express - no need for passing. Again, however,
> impractical.
>
> Still, there is a reason Sydney's L's, X's and E's are popular -
everything
> is too BLOODY CROWDED!
>
> Sydney's busses are having a crisis, with not enough busses and way too
many
> passengers. Trams, when they ran, could take many more people in similar
> amounts of space.
>
> Thats the downfall for busses, and not an easily solvable one.
>
> Brendan
>
> "Bradley Torr" <truenorth@one.net.au.SPAMTRAP> wrote in message
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> > Evening all.
> >
> > While in the shower today, I was pondering upon the old tram vs. bus
> > arguments... one pro-bus argument that I came up with was that buses
could
> > overtake each other, and that you could have 'express' or 'limited
stops'
> > buses without having 'all stops' buses in front of you blocking the
faster
> > bus. This is obviously a major advantage of buses, as the patronage on
the
> > Sydney STA's 'L' and peak-hour 'X' and 'E' routes demonstrates.
> >
> > I got to thinking how the old tramways and the modern tramways in
> Melbourne
> > deal with the problem of distributing passenger loads over a route, and
> > making sure that passengers at the extremities of a particular line
don't
> > have to put up with the overcrowding that would result from having to
stop
> > at all stops way into the city. This problem can be mitigated by the use
> of
> > short-workings, which have the effect of distributing passengers going
> > from/boarding at inner-city stops over a greater number of trams - but
> > still, the outer suburban trams must still stop at every stop for the
> > reason that it can't overtake the trams in front of it!
> >
> > I then came up with a solution - on the busier tram routes, build three
> > tracks along the route instead of two. The track in the centre can be
set
> > up for bi-directional running for the sole purpose of express running
> > during the peak hours. It might not work on the lines which travel along
> > fairly narrow streets (such as many of the south-eastern routes in
> > Melbourne), but it might work on routes along wide boulevards, such as
St.
> > Kilda Road and Royal Parade and Victoria Parade.
> >
> > Has any tramway system in the world ever tried this concept of express
> > running? Has express running or skip-stop running ever been tried in
> > Australia?
> >
> > Some food for thought.
> >
> > BT
> >
> >
>
>