I saw the 4D today @ Bayswater, pantos down and not attached to anything. 4D must be Melbourne's cleanest train. I had to laugh at the sign on the fence which is right near the front of 4D "Beware of trains". Eric Visit my website http://www.erk.au.com TV, Sport, Transport & more Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.