"Hubert Lam" <hubert@imap4.com> wrote in message 39757d60$0$11209$7f31c96c@news01.syd.optusnet.com.au">news:39757d60$0$11209$7f31c96c@news01.syd.optusnet.com.au... > so that's where he works??? He certainly does. You may also be interested in having a listen to http://www.vvp.com/mvo/goldman_grant.ram, and by the looks of things his kids are in the biz too! :)