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Re: EE Loco Control Systems



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Hi all,
 
Yes QR 1200's did have a 10 notch control system. The stand was exactly that of the SAR 900's but on the opposite side of the cab (and the control in reverse) as I noted on a ride from Shorncliffe to Central one night.
 
SAR 350's 900's 800's and 500's (and I would have thought all EE's in my observations) all had a torque regulator governor arrangement which allowed for three engine speeds (idle, mid, full) and various loadings on the generator. I was never a great fan of EE locos and 800's in particular were built as if they were started with the engine generator and conduit and a frame and body built around them. 800's in particular were not popular with crews with their brakes... a reduction in size of the brake pipe would have helped. 900's however rode beautifully even though they were not good to service or change traction motors over. 500's were so good that EE wanted to buy the design as its "world model" standard shunter but an impasse developed as EE would only supply railway workshops and Steele Hall (then Liberal Premier) apparently wanted to give the design to Perry Engineering instead of Islington in anticipation of an reported order for 48 for WA and/or  Qld... which of course then did not occur. The motors of the 500 were the same as those under a QR 2350 and they never seemed to wear out! THis was about the time that QR then bought their DH class.
 
Regards
 
 
Trevor Gibbs
 
 
 
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Palmano <steve719@gte.net>
To: ausloco@listbot.com <ausloco@listbot.com>
Date: Tuesday, 9 November 1999 16:08
Subject: EE Loco Control Systems

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Hello:
 
I came across the "thread" on ANZ EE locomotive control system whilst surfing railroad sites, and thought that I might add a few comments.
 
In respect of control systems and MU compatibility, as far as I know, EE more-or-less standardized on air operated throttles with continuously variable engine speed control from circa 1954, starting with BR/SR 10203.  Before adopting this electropneumatic (EP) control scheme, EE had used 8 and 10 notch electromagnetic (EM) control systems with a limited number of fixed engine speeds and automatic load control (torque regulation) on the top notch or top few notches only.
 
Nevertheless, EM control systems were used on some later locomotives, presumably because of individual railroad preferences or for compatibility with earlier locomotives.
 
Information on hand indicates that at least the following EE locomotives, excluding UK domestic models, had EM control schemes:  NZR De (8 notch); NZR Df & Dg (10 notch); SAR 900 (10 notch).
 
I'm guessing that the QR 1200 most likely had 10 notch EM control.  And the NZR Di surely did for compatibility with the Dg and Df, although maybe with more engine speeds and with automatic load control on more notches than was the case for the earlier models.  Does anyone have full details on the Di control system?
 
And simply because they predated EE's adoption of EP control, one can assume that both the TGR X and the Egyptian 16 cylinder 1A-D-A1 model had EM control of some kind.
 
Of the Australian EE models, I understand that all of those supplied to QR, MRWA and WAGR had EP control, as did the SAR 800s.  No doubt, though, Australian-domiciled readers will be able to comment definitively on this aspect.
 
Also basis information on hand, the following EE locomotives definitely had EP control, excluding UK domestic and Australian domestic models: Brazil/Argentina 8 cylinder A1A-A1As; Zimbabwe DE2 & DE3; and Jamaica 6 cylinder BB.  (the last-mentioned is a close cousin to the SAR 800.)
 
It seems likely that the Kenya 8 and 12 cylinder models, and the Portugal 1400 and 1800 classes also had EP control, although I've not seen specific confirmation.
 
On reference suggests that the Malaysia Class 20 had notched, i.e. EM control.  The few photographs I have seen show the usual EE MU jumper socket, but not the ESCP (engine speed control pipe) that would indicate EP control.  Even scarcer photographs of the derivative Sudan 12 cylinder model also do not reveal an ESCP, so maybe these were EM as well.  Both these models had vacuum brakes for the locomotive as well as the train, a feature shared with one or two other EE export models, although air-on-locomotive/vacuum-on-train was more usual for vacuum-braked railroads.   But the Sudan locomotive also had dynamic brakes, so, very unusually I think, must have had provision for independent control, or at least independent release of the locomotive vacuum brake.
 
Unknown to me are the control schemes for the Ghana and Nigeria 6 cylinder models (both very much like the NZR De except with Mk II engines), the Ghana 12 cylinder model, and the Malaysia Class 22/Zaire 8 cylinder model.  If the Malaya 22 was MU compatible with the Class 20 (and I don't know this to be the case), then likely it had EM control.
 
I don't know why EE stayed with EP control and 110 volt auxiliaries, and did not, for example, adopt the US standard 8 notch, 74 volt EM system.  Whatever the technical arguments in favor of each, the latter was surely the de facto world standard by the 1960s, and it might have served EE better to adopt it, or at least makes its locomotives compatible with it.  Perhaps, based upon UK operations with lower load factors than say in the US, there was a perceived need for finer control than 8 notches would allow.  E.g., although the majority of first generation BR diesel-electric locomotives (from all manufacturers) had EP control, a minority had EM control with 10, rather than 8 notches.
 
By the way, although 110 volts was standard for EE control systems and auxiliaries, some early locomotives were different, such as LMS/BR 10000/1, at 135 volts, and the NZR De, I think at 90 volts.                  
 
Steve Palmano
 
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